Jeremy Corbyn wants to impose lifetime gift limits on children of £125,000

[ForTheLoveOfDoughnuts]

So we pay tax on what we earn. What we buy. And now this.. what's the point of working hard to help out our kids, for this to even be considered. Or AIBU?

"that figures"

You know nothibg about me.

@TFBundy i said I didn't believe you because its all rather too convinient.

I do notice however that you haven't countered the point that society massively facilitates your husband's earnings amd he wouldn't be able to do his job without armies of others working too..

I don’t know nothibg, no.

Grammar schools arent a vehicle fo social mobility in general, all the evidence shows that.

However, they are paid for by the state, as of course so is council housing subsidised by the state. Someone claiming they got to where they are by their own hard work who had these benefits in kind is wrong

Zipee

So what is to stop me transferring £2500 daily into dc account

How would anyone know?

society massively facilitates your husband's earnings amd he wouldn't be able to do his job without armies of others working too

That applies to literally everyone, but it’s individual effort that gets the whole societal project off the ground! 😂

Someone claiming they got to where they are by their own hard work who had these benefits in kind is wrong

Yep, if you do well in grammar school, it’s all due to someone else. Not your own hard work, effort and study. You had nothing to do with it.

So why mention grammar schools @Zipee? At least be consistent, your arguments command more respect that way.

Because the previous poster mentioned grammar schools made up part of her education.

On the whole the evidence is that they do not work to increase social mobility, thete are of course some people who it did work for. However this does not mean that launching a new program of grammar schools to increase social mobility would be effective.

However, someone crediting their own success to themselves, rather than the opportunities that society provided them can be critiqued if they were provided opportunities that they would not normally have had by society.

Strawman isablella, not what I said at all.

Society provided you with an opportunity, tax payer funded, that increased your life chances.

Right, OK. You’re making an idiot of yourself but crack on.

Not making an idiot of my self at all.

Grammar schools are proven not to be conduits for social mobility. However a person that attributes their success to their own efforts who went to one can have this pointed out to them, and therefore their success is partially down to opportunities given to them by society

You can be consistent in pointing out both.

When people discuss grammar schools as promoting social mobility they only evwr concentrate on the minority examples of the system being successful. It is still possible to make a point that the minority did still benefit.

Where am I being inconsistent?

Society provided you with an opportunity, tax payer funded, that increased your life chances

Why do you think that might be? Could it be because it’s in society’s interest to maximally exploit the talented and intelligent among us? Do we not all benefit in that way? The person in question still has to put in the individual effort required, and for that they should be commended and rewarded, no?

Youve been commended and rewarded by the wealth society had allowed you to gather.

Yet you still claim taxation is theft.

Therefore their success is partially down to opportunities given to them by society

It’s not because we want to hand a select few a golden ticket. Society wants to exploit them. We want something from these people. Do you begrudge them the rewards of their hard work? They could have chosen not to bother, after all, and then we’d all be poorer for it. Would that be better?

Thank Christ this thread is fast heading for expiry. When you find yourself being frustrated and embarrassed by the lack of logic of people whose views you fundamentally support, it’s time to give up.

The number of people in this country who came from abject poverty, had no parental handouts and go on to be amongst the country’s highest earners is absolutely minuscule.

How amazing that we have at least two of them on this thread.

Working in the NHS, avoiding tax and voting Tory is gobsmackingly stupid, and demonstrates contempt for the people you treat. I have a very part time role in the NHS now and I cannot fathom being aware of the state of things and going out of my way to avoid tax.

Of course it’s a factor, whether the government would immediately spend that money on the NHS or not, given that the narrative is that the money to pay for the NHS isn’t there.

Youve been commended and rewarded by the wealth society had allowed you to gather

Have allowed you? Jesus wept!

You've got the rewards of your hard work, if you can afford to gift your children more than 125k in a lifetime then you have been rewarded far beyond the average.

Making out that its all down to your own hard work however is incorrect, society provided you the opportunities to gain it.

Yup has allowed you, without society you wouldn't be in the position you are in.

@Alsohuman please articulate why it is not possible to argue against grammar schools as a method of promoting social mobility for the majority, whilst at the same time pointing out it did work for an individual?

As someone who is very physically disabled but has been lucky enough that their parents can help them, I'm not happy with this. I don't think it's right that I have never requested to be maintained by the state but would be penalised because my parents have made sure I'm ok and will have somewhere to live for the rest of my life and enough income to cover the care and additional help I need.

Enjoy the collective farm, comrade Zippee! I won’t be joining you. I’m busy making a bonfire of my ill-gotten gains.

Under the Irish system that would be protected?

I’m “articulating” nothing, I’m too busy banging my head on the table at you.

Never claimed that your gains were ill gotten.

I enjoy the life i have worked hard for, and earned, however I've never claimed thst taxation was theft.