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To think not Arnold Scwharzeneggar's love child should have been invited to his half sister's wedding?

103 replies

lboogy · 11/06/2019 19:46

Saw this in the daily fail. Arnold's daughter Katherine got married to Chris Pratt the other day but her half brother (love child) wasn't invited.

I don't understand why she invited her dad who was responsible for said love child's existence because he couldn't keep his dick in his pants, but not her half brother ?

Also Beyoncé has no relationship with her father's love child ( reportedly- the mother of the love child is broke but Beyoncé doesn't help financially).

If it was me, I'd have a relationship with a love child of my parents. I would hold no ill will towards them since they, like everyone, didn't have a choice in being brought into the world.

What say you?

OP posts:
Sceptre86 · 11/06/2019 22:50

Funnily enough I was talking to my mum about this today. In the Ks Situation I think I she probably did focus on her mum's feelings and that of her siblings. Also she may or may not have a relationship with her half brother. In Beyonce's, how is her half brother any more deserving of money than any other charity/stranger out there? Unless she has a relationship with him which seems unlikely. It is unfair in my opinion to say she should do so just because she is rich. That child's mother should be providing for her own child as well as receiving maintenance and support from the father. I would not bankroll siblings I was born and raised with much less those I was not with!

lotusbell · 11/06/2019 22:57

I see nothing critical from OP, just what she would do herself. I also see several posters suggesting maybe the situation upsets Maria, yet OP is unreasonable for suggesting it herself. I apologise for getting both your points slightly wrong but I still think your response to her was rude and unnecessary. There are far many cuntier types than you on here.

BettyUnderswoob · 11/06/2019 23:06

There are far many cuntier types than you on here

I’m not sure whether to be pleased or disappointed about that! 😁

SandyY2K · 11/06/2019 23:15

@lotusbell

she certainly didn't suggest Beyonce SHOULD pay for her half sibling.

You're right... she... she didn't.....even worse the suggestion was she should financially help the OW.

The OP said this...
reportedly- the mother of the love child is broke but Beyoncé doesn't help financially).

I don't know how you read this, but I read it as Beyonce not financially helping the woman her father had an affair with and produced a child with, in spite of her wealth.

A subsequent post from the OP says that she would help out a half sibling if she was wealthy.

EleanorOalike · 11/06/2019 23:33

I think the problem is the OP came across as judging Katherine S for not inviting her father’s son from an affair and making it seem very simple saying if she was in that situation she’d have invited him.

It’s easy to say that when you’re never going to be in that situation and haven’t experienced the pain that an affair causes to children and the betrayed parent.

It’s the OP’s father, not her, who has a half sibling and we don’t know if that was a result of an affair or a previous relationship/marriage, which are two very different set of circumstances.

An affair more often than not rips a family apart. For so many of us adult children who were affected by affairs it’s a real kick in the teeth to have it suggested that we should just invite someone we may never have met or whose presence could devastate other members of the family. Even if I’d managed to have a decent relationship with my half-sibling and not live in fear of him and his mother, I can’t erase the memories of devastation when my parents marriage fell apart and take away the experiences of being a child myself and having to hold my mother in bed while she sobbed every night, of watching her not eat, of having everyone know what my Dad had done and being the juicy gossip of the school gates etc and I wouldn’t want her having a reminder of that at my wedding.

KS did not grow up with JB, they aren’t like typical siblings or half siblings. We don’t even know if these two people have ever had a conversation.

Similarly judging Beyoncé for not financially supporting the woman who knowingly got into a relationship with a married man, had a child to him etc is very unfair. It’s between the parents of that child to sort it out, not Beyoncé who most likely has enough pain to deal with.

This thread did really upset me because I’d hate to think someone would be judging me on my wedding day based on a set of circumstances I had no control of and that the majority of people know nothing about. I’ve had people who know nothing of the real situation say things along the line of “awwww it’s sad you don’t have a relationship with your brother, he didn’t ask to be born you shouldn’t punish him by cutting him out of your life” to me and it’s like I’m being blamed and the pain and fear my mother and I experienced for years should just be ignored because the “love child’s” feelings matter more than ours.

My mother and I agreed, even pushed for, my father to be a proper father and be involved fully in his son’s life and to support him equally financially. Even at 10 I knew he didn’t ask to be born (neither did I by the way!) and I wished him a happy life. But I couldn’t have a relationship with him in the end. I tried but at 10, 11, 12 years old it was too complicated emotionally and too painful and his mother kept going out of her way to cause more pain for me and my mother and to punish us and threaten us and by his late teens my father’s son had began being equally troublesome and bringing the police to our door etc.

I have every right to say I don’t want any more pain from all of that in my life now I’m an adult and actually have control over that and I have every right to my privacy and to have who I want at special events. I think most people would come to the same conclusion in my shoes and God knows what KS’s situation is. It does seem very unkind to judge, when none of us know what’s happened (he could have been invited and turned it down for all we know!).

What I think is very sad is that the media have chosen to turn a happy day in the life of a woman who’s clearly had pain in her past which wasn’t her fault into a drama about why her father’s son from an affair wasn’t present at her wedding.

ElizaPancakes · 11/06/2019 23:57

Fuck me, he's quick moving on isn't he?

As to your question OP, I'm not sure I understand who all the movers and shakers are, but I don't actually care. I have no idea what the relationships are between strangers and their brother from another mother or whatever. I think you're totally weird for focusing on that as the odd thing and not the fact that Chris Pratt is barely divorced and now posting about how his second wedding was 'the best day of his life'!

lotusbell · 12/06/2019 00:08

Ok, this is the last comment I'll make then you're on your own, OP! Firstly, and I'm well aware others may not agree, I dont see anything judgy about the post, I see it as purely inquisitive. Its certainly not as judgy as some of the crap we get on here. Secondly, does it matter if it is judgy and critical? Can we all honestly say we've never passed judgement, much less without knowing the full circumstances? I know I have.
I don't see any simplifying of the situation and ok, maybe it is the OPs father with the half sibling, rather than the OP. If that were me, I'd be curious about other people's relationships with half siblings and cheating dad's and would think this would be a good place to get thoughts. Maybe OP should've posted in Relationshios or Sleb Twaddle.
It seems there is no freedom to ask a question now without someone being offended by it. I've read comments on the Daily Mail, many people seem to question why she doesn't speak to him. Apparently, he follows all of them on Instagram but none of them follow him back. He commented on her wedding post. Maybe half sibling would like a relationship but they won't due to loyalty to their mum. I dont know, OP doesn't know, some people do not care, does that mean the question can't be posed without someone bashing you for even daring to think it? How unreasonable!
To reiterate, my main gripe is the undeserved harsh replies - what a weird thread, not a single one of these people will give a monkey's bum what you think OP, I had to reread the post, get a hobby, OP, who cares etc etc. Why is this post somehow less worthy of others that people feel the need to sneer and berate the OP? That's what I meant about there being proper cunts on here.

SandyY2K · 12/06/2019 00:13

@EleanorOalike
I feel the pain from your words and having a friend who's DH had an affair child.... I totally agree, that the devastation caused by infidelity is bad enough...add an affair child in the mix and it's a million times worse.

A constant living reminder of a betrayal.

I would never pass judgement on a betrayed wife or her children not wanting a relationship with a child in these circumstances.

I also often get the "he's innocent".. yeah and so were you and your mum. The ones who weren't innocent were your dad and the OW.

I'd struggle to forgive my DF if he did this...thankfully he's too old for that now...but I'd have no interest in any half sibling to emerge from the woodwork. My DH would be gone in a nanosecond if he did this.

crazyasafox · 12/06/2019 00:16

PMSL! Grin

EleanorOalike · 12/06/2019 00:23

Thanks for “getting it” @SandyY2K, I think moving on would always be hard but you are right that a child makes an affair a million times worse. It’s not like you can ever forget about it because there’s always that tie there that none of you wanted and that you have to take into consideration until the day you die. And we aren’t heartless, we think about that other person and make sure all is above board but that doesn’t mean we have an obligation to be “family”.

crazyasafox · 12/06/2019 00:25

@lotusbell

Why so angry?

Why so invested in this thread?

Why so defensive of the OP? Wink

Bizarre!

MrsTerryPratchett · 12/06/2019 00:36

OP love. You've taken your dad's word that your half-sister's mum is the reason he doesn't have a relationship with her? Ummm any doubts there?

MorganKitten · 12/06/2019 00:45

As a ‘love child’ I’ve not met a couple of my half sibling or their children, I don’t expect too as bio father is a selfish man who likes to keep us all separate.
Those siblings and bio father wouldn’t be invited to my wedding either.
Also other people’s family’s are none of mine your your business.

Gingerkittykat · 12/06/2019 00:49

I have a half brother out there somewhere, a child my dad fathered before he was married. I have a bit of curiosity but bet we have nothing at all in common.

My DD met her half sister, who is 8 months younger than her, at age 16. The girls have nothing in common, and no shared upbringing to form a proper bond. They talk occasionally, and might end up inviting each other to big events like a wedding but are little more than aquaintences.

Xmas2020 · 12/06/2019 01:21

Its not the Brides fault that her father is a complete shit, however my heart goes out to the poor unwanted forgotten child in al of this.

NauseousMum · 12/06/2019 08:40

It soubds like you are projecting OP. That you would like a relationship with your half sister. In which case, have you looked for her? Also, until you know 100% your dad may not be innocent when he says the mum wouldn't let her know you. Men who have affairs lie to their wife and kids a lot. Until you speak to her you have no idea of the truth.

I don't know the AS lovechild story, but are the siblings close? If not, why would they be invited? My friend didn't invite his half sibling (also ftom affair) to his wedding. They didn't meet until adults and neither was bothered about a relationship.

sparklytwinklyfairylights · 12/06/2019 09:06

Why on earth should Beyoncé pay anything towards her fathers "love child"
Absolutely not her responsibility

stucknoue · 12/06/2019 09:12

It's up to them, we didn't get invited to h's half brothers wedding because "it was a small affair" yet their parents friends were (h was estranged from his father so only met siblings in adulthood when he got back in touch)

FrancisCrawford · 12/06/2019 09:28

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SandyY2K · 12/06/2019 12:46

Men who have affairs lie to their wife and kids a lot

That's true.... but usually the OW is fully aware he's married, so I would say is complicit in bringing a child into the world under those circumstances.

It's very unfair to a child, that their birth and existence is the source of pain for a betrayed wife and her DC.

The child has 2 selfish parents.

NauseousMum · 12/06/2019 13:14

I agree. But that has nothing to do with my point. The OP believes her father implicitly when he says it's not his fault his other daughter doesnt see him. As a cheat, he's already shown he can and has lied. So she shouldn't be so naive.

Gth1234 · 12/06/2019 13:16

I don't think the brides' mother would really want to be reminded of her husband's infidelity, do you?

And we are talking the Kennedy family here. L:ike US royalty.

Lemonlady22 · 12/06/2019 13:24

didnt know Beyonce was related to Arnie

Gth1234 · 12/06/2019 13:29

Maria's mum

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eunice_Kennedy_Shriver

breakfastpizza · 12/06/2019 13:56

I'm more surprised that Arnold is there. He lied to his family for more than a decade, allowing the child into the home (the family even attended the baby's christening). He kept on lying even when Maria expressed suspicions about the resemblance.

And let's not forget he deprived the child of a father for the first decade of his life just to protect his own self-interests.

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