To think that people are actually getting more ridiculous in their expectations??

[Youmadorwhat]

I mean ffs, 9.99 for Netflix per month Is justified because it’s entertainment but never mind the fact that you are in deficit every month🙄

Childcare, anything medical (including hospital car parks), education, school dinners and housing should all be subsidized substantially or FREE (and 24/7) I mean should the government not just collect the babies from the maternity ward and hand them back at 18!

I even saw a thread a while back where someone stated that all extra curricular activities should be subsidized for children 🙄

I know people are struggling I get that but the government CANNOT afford to prop up everyone!! Especially when a lot of people are actually at a tax deficit anyway!! Rant over!!

Well I would be happy to pay more tax to see better public services including subsiding activities and other services for poorer children (and would do so once my own are grown up too). The level of inequality is massive and that is not good for society. My 3 year old is bright and has massive advantages already as we can provide a stable home, activities etc. I never really understood how educational outcomes could be predicted at such a young age but now I have kids, it is obvious that even from this point, some will never be able to catch-up.

*My grandma used to say 1/3 bills 1/3 spending 1/3 saving"

Only works if housing costs aren't massively inflated compared to wages. Which they are.

You never use roads? How big is this wood

To am extent I agree but there are a lot of schemes the government has that are the wrong way around. For example we should be offering more free childcare hours to those who work and need it rather than those who don't work.

Backwoods jesus wept!! Are you serious!? If so you must be a billionaire or multi millionaire who can afford private ambulance helicopter, do you drive? Have you got DCs?

How can anyone other than the extremely wealthy say this and actually believe the nonsense coming out their mouth?

I hope to God you received private education and your mother gave birth privately funded.

My two year old DS gets FEYE because I'm a vulnerable person see my previous posts, he loves it its for His benefit not mine. It's so kids from Potentially disadvantaged homes are on par with their peers at school. Many of these families can't even afford soft play neverminc days out holiday etc.

the parents may also be isolated with little family or friends and this is the only social and Learning opportunity they get.

Your vile for wanting to rob that from an innocent child for your own jealous petty reasons again it's not childcare it's education.

Oh and working parents do get free and subsidised childcare it costs the government more for a single mum to work using childcare vouchers than for her to stay home and claim.

So ignorant!

Borisdaspide 2eternities

We are not rich, we live in a cabin on our own land. It’s 120 acres, we live off our land, it supplies food, water and wood. We home educate. We are working towards being 100% self sufficient. Our only real need to leave the land is to get petrol.

But we as a family don’t want, need, or use any of that.

You don't breathe the air, so you don't need regulating boards to control pollution?

You don't drink water or water-based drinks so you don't need the water boards to ensure that nobody is dumping dangerous chemicals into the groundwater?

You never go where other people are so you have no interest in ensuring that contagious diseases are kept at bay?

And you never intend to have an accident or for your children to have one so you feel absolutely sure you will never need A & E?

You never eat any food which has not been grown in your own garden without the use of fertilisers or anything else that might need to be brought by road?

And the internet-connected item you are currently typing this on was not brought to you through any kind of infrastructure at all?

Excuse me if I ask, but what kind of life form are you?

ok, cross-posting

so you do in fact depend on the water you use being kept clean by nobody contaminating the groundwater and police enforcement for offenders- that's society right there

not to mention the air and all the rest of it

For example we should be offering more free childcare hours to those who work and need it rather than those who don't work.

Free childcare for vulnerable children from poor or disadvantaged backgrounds is there to prevent them from lagging behind their peers, not for the parents benefit

Well there you have it backwoods. You benefit from society so should contribute.
Il take it you plan home treating any illness or injury and also if your cabin sets alight you'll deal with it yourself

Christ this thread is full of dull virtue signallers

Of course tax isn’t theft. Individuals may choose to live in the middle of nowhere off the land but that doesn’t work for everyone, public services need funding and taxing is how we do that. And they pay for almost anything so unless you never leave your house then you benefit from them in some way.

the government CANNOT afford to prop up everyone!!

Other countries seem to manage (even countries less well off than the UK!), so the government CAN, only that it is not a priority for them. Obviously buying weapons and other stuff are more important than making sure people have a decent life.

People shouldn't have to do a lot of maths or saving for years in order to afford to have kids (otherwise we are saying that only wealthy people can reproduce?). Having to pay so much for childcare is not the norm in other countries, no. Somehow their governments COULD make it work...because they WANTED. It is astonishing that so many people assume these childcare costs as normal.

Having to pay so much for childcare is not the norm in other countries, no. Somehow their governments COULD make it work...because they WANTED. It is astonishing that so many people assume these childcare costs as normal. Agree

other governments have managed it quite well. Although the Cons historically prop up their rich friends at cost to the poorest.

2eternities

Yes as a family we plan, and train for fire, and medical issues. We fully expect to have to deal with these ourselves.

Our local police and fire department told us that they would be unable to reach us in a timely manor. So we have to be self reliant.

Backswoodgirl - Are you really saying you would not want or need emergency services if required? If your cabin burnt down? Or if one of your family became life-threateningly unwell?

Really? Do you have a private full-service hospital and fire station on your land then? Or would you prefer just to let it all burn down and family members remain ill?

Aha, so the peaceful society and infrastructure which allows you to live in this manner you have chosen, Backwoods, is something you're completely exempted from? You know, that infrastructure than provides you with internet access?

@44HuntJas what countries are you talking about people in USA, Australia, Ireland but to name a few all pay high childcare costs!!

CookieDeal

It’s not a option for us we have been told that the emergency services cannot provide adequate coverage for us. “Help” is a couple hours away. So if our cabin burns it’s up to the 4 of us to put the fire out, and then repair it.

DH cut his hand open last winter, I stitched it up for him on the kitchen table.

@piscis Do you have any idea how small our spending is on defence versus the billions pumped into the NHS and welfare? And could you please clarify what on earth you mean by other 'stuff'? What a silly, silly comment.

And as for childcare, our population has exploded in comparison with other countries. Our government cannot afford to pay for childcare for everyone and frankly it shouldn't have to. Having a child is not a human right and the vast majority of people in this country have no reason to have more kids than they can afford. Contraception here is free and readily available, which it isn't in many other countries.

Yes as a family we plan, and train for fire, and medical issues. We fully expect to have to deal with these ourselves.
Our local police and fire department told us that they would be unable to reach us in a timely manor. So we have to be self reliant.

And no child taken to a burns unit afterwards if the worst happened? No cancer treatment should that become necessary? You would calmly sit there watching a family member die rather than try to get them to hospital if they needed an operation.

Even if this were true, I still don't see how you can't understand that the very air you breathe is dependent on society to keep it safe. A strong society is how you can be sure that nobody is dumping chemical just off the boundaries that would make your water undrinkable and your soil contaminated.

www.theguardian.com/inequality/2019/jun/06/socialism-for-the-rich-the-evils-of-bad-economics

I think we need to pay more taxes - but the turkeys keep voting for Christmas!

For god sake @Youmadorwhat .

Stick it on a pillow or something.

People are struggling because of the government so of course they should help out those who need it.