To ask you to stop flying

[Walkingthere]

We are facing a climate disaster. Our children will have to live through it. And yet I overheard two women today discussing how many holidays abroad they had been on this year. Both over 60 years of age. Obviously it will not directly impact on them.
This is also very common in my social group, people jetting off 4-5 times a year. Mini-breaks, weekends away, European trips, long haul, hen do's, weddings, birthdays. It's unbelievable how much people are burying their heads in the sand.

We need to stop flying. Urgently. Now. My family have not flown in over 5 years. We used to travel a lot, before we realised the consequences. I am putting this here, to make people think, we all need to urgently reduce (ideally stop) flying now.

The government could do more, because I'm not stopping flying.

Let's see paper packaging, stop all the fruit/veg etc being wrapped in plastic. Wax paper for meats. Bring back glass reusable liquid containers for all liquids.

Those are just a few things I can think of right now, there are loads more.

And dont forget over the years climate has changed, we once had an ice age eg.

They need to make a train ticket to Scotland less than a flight then.

I don’t really get the sideline point about the kids not being able to come up with an idea to save the planet because their parents haven’t - that isn’t really how things work. Every original idea comes from someone whose parents didn’t have that idea, otherwise it wouldn’t be original.

Anyway - yes, clearly we should try to limit our flights, and our plastic use, and fuel consumption, and everything else - but it is impractical to say people shouldn’t fly because it won’t work. Small changes are more likely to be implemented and lead to bigger changes.

Whosorrynow aside from your idea just making the problem our kids problem.

Over population isnt helping the quality of education and actually causing more problems for the environment.

If ds had got into our local school. I woildnt need a car. I could drop him off and use public transport. However, since his school is quite a while away, I cant get him there and work. The village has doubled in size over 20 year and the village school cant accommodate everyone.

Over crowding in schools isnt helping education levels and more and more people are having to travel to schools further away.

So our kids are not the answer.

The rich and powerful, of course, would still be free to do whatever they liked.

This is what a lot if peoples solutions add up to.

Not shocked that the people saying withdraw benefits from people with kids (why just people with kids) and that someone had to suffer let it be the kids.....are the ones with older kids and in a financially privileged positions.

But they dont seem as keen on refusing to save older people, to reduce population numbers or taxing the Richer a larger amount.

Not shocked that the people saying withdraw benefits from people with kids (why just people with kids) and that someone had to suffer let it be the kids.....are the ones with older kids and in a financially privileged positions.

I guess you're talking about me? What I said was, let's not incentivise people to have children by offering child-related tax credits and so on.

But they dont seem as keen on refusing to save older people, to reduce population numbers or taxing the Richer a larger amount.

Seems obvious that it's better to prevent people from being born rather than killing the ones who are already here. Is this really such unfamiliar logic to you?

And never have the rich paid a bigger proportion of tax collections. Just FYI.

And yes it's the Beethoven fallacy.

If the population were to magically halve, we'd still have plenty of renegade genius disrupters about to try to solve the problems of the day. Mind you, if there's no possibility of them striking it rich, they might not try (see earlier points about altruism - it really just doesn't work).

I agree OP, people need to stop flying. If we carry on like this then soon there isn't going to be anywhere to fly to.

sounds like a left-wing version of a Brexit fantasy. Let's ground all the planes, sink all the ferries, introduce ration cards and put this obese nation on a (vegan) diet. oh, and let the old/disabled just die.

But about old people... I think it would be useful if we accelerated the discussion about euthanasia. Practically everyone is determined to not live out their final days in a hospital bed.

I do wonder what the future holds for the right to die.

Animal agriculture is having the biggest impact on our environment.

Hundreds of thousands of people are employed because of the aviation industry.

AlaskanOilBaron you are one of several.

You still havent answered. If you pull benefits for children, what happens to children like my son. Where the parents split or one parent dies or becomes so sick they cant earn money.

People are not incentivised to have kids. My tax credits just about cover child care to enable me to work. What's better. Cover my childcare or me live entirely on benefits

No one makes a killing out of tax credits.

You can do everything 'right' just have one child, plan etc. Somerhing happen and you are a single parent family. .
You have advocated for those children to live in poverty.

Rich do pay decent taxes. But in scheme of things, since the whole planet is at risk. They could pay plenty more? But you arent a big fan of that? Better some kids live in poverty that rich pay more in tax?

I am NC with my wealthy parents and it's a classic attitude I have seen.

Thankfully as of July, I know long qualify for tax credits due to a huge pay rise. I really hope in 10 years when ds is a teenager I am not sat thinking it's ok to put kids into poverty.

Population should be controlled. Throwing kids into poverty is not the way to do it.

I am actually very worried about the environment, our plant and our future

But OP you are asking other people to change their lifestyle while saying that you personally are not prepared to do things to change your own lifestyle.

You could have chosen to have no children, or to adopt rather than creating new children. But you have chosen to have two and then you want others to make sacrifices for your kids.

That is unreasonable.

MirriVan disasters and plagues have always kept population numbers in check.

I wonder if that means medical advances, disaster aid etc havent really helped us long term. Only sped up the end for us?

You can ask but nope, personally there's no way I'll stop flying.

I agree, Alaska, I'd like to see right to die available.

I would like the right to die to be available.

But that comes with it's own set of issues and I dont think would be taken up in enough numbers to reduce the population significantly.

Essentially, we've been too successful for far too long. Too many people surviving.

Yes. Alot of the time I worry about the lengths we go to, to prolong life and not sure how good it is for us as a whole.

What amazes me is how many people are willing to watch their kids suffer in it.
that's why i take them on holiday before shit hits the fan

Have you signed up to the FlightFree 2020 pledge OP?
www.flightfree.co.uk

I found this post very sad - it's a testimonial by a woman who, because she has chosen not fly, hasn't seen her children or elderly father for many years.