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AIBU to cut contact with my sister-in-law and nieces?

34 replies

carla1983 · 05/06/2019 21:14

Hi mumsnetters,

This is a throwaway account and a bit of a long story, I'm writing this feeling very sad and angry and need a bit of perspective.

I have no family apart from my sister-in-law and her two children, aged 3 and 7.

She had the children with my brother who died one year ago. He was a heroin addict who left my sis in law and the kids and married someone else (another addict.) And died shortly afterwards.

I am a house sitter who travels around a lot for my wok but for the last 4 years always come back to the UK for 3-6 months to house sit here and to be around for my nieces and help out my sister-in-law.

But there have been problems in the relationship and I am seriously reconsidering whether I should do it anymore.

The main problem is that I feel my sister in law is incredibly selfish, and has a lot of problems that I can't deal with. She drinks too much (every day and has often sent nasty messages when drunk). She swears at the kids and hits them when drunk.

Shortly after I met her about 4 years ago and became close with them, I was having a serious asthma attack and didn't have my inhaler with me. Her daughter had an inhaler leftover from a chest infection (she doesn't normally get asthma, no longer had the infection, and did not currently need it).

My sis in law refused to let me use the inhaler or help me. I walked out of her house and drove to A&E where I was put on the nebuliser machine. She explained later that if she had let me use the inhaler there would be less medicine for her kid in case she needed it (her kid didn't have asthma at that time.)

There have been a series of incidences like that happen. If she's ever asked to do anything for me she can become quite angry and accuse me of taking too much from her. E.g. I stayed with her for 2 nights between my house sits and I find out later she didn't want me to even though she said yes and I brought her a present. She sent me drunken messages asking for money because I put the heating on in the night (I was cold). I posted £10 through her door and we fell out for a while over those nasty messages.

She uses me for babysitting. One of her children (aged 7) has developed behavioural problems in the last 6 months or so, and screams blue murder for up to an hour when she doesn't get her way. She also hits, kicks and throws things. I think she might have ODD (oppositional defiance disorder) as she is often like this. I'm not sure. But my sis in law doesn't agree and always tries to get me to babysit. I have told her I can't have the older one as it's too stressful but can babysit the younger one. I want to take the kids to the park for an hour or two so I can bring them back if the older one acts up. My sis in law isn't having it and wants me to babysit for long hours (up to 2 or 3am) instead. Basically she won't let me see them unless it is some scenario I'm not up for. She says she bends over backwards for me and that I need to fit in with her.

When I ask what she means and can she please explain or let me know a time when she was bending over backwards, she can't get more specific about an occasion when she felt she gave too much or was too accommodating (I don't think there has ever been one?)

She has a new boyfriend every few months who she lets into her life and the kids lives straight away. I find that a bit worrying. She wants me around as a friend when there's no boyfriend but she doesn't want me around or to see her kids when there is a boyfriend as she doesn't have time.

I'm always buying the kids presents, bringing her shopping and things, she never pays me back.

The latest is that it has come to light that she has been shoplifting. I was quite upset to hear this and told her I hope she doesn't do it in front of her kids or teach them to do it. She told me she'll bring up her kids however she likes, and I need to lighten up and become more open-minded about it.

She said all her family does it too. She is from a big gypsy family. I was pretty disgusted.

I told her I can't deal with her bahaviour anymore and want to put some distance between us. She allows me to use her address for registering my car (which I pay her for) so I need to find a new address for that in the UK with a friend. I said I wanted to pick up my post and need to put some distance.

Do you think I'm doing the wrong thing? I want to see my nieces but they are so badly behaved and poorly disciplined. My sister in law always gives my niece what she wants after she screams and gets violent, so my niece learns that's the way to get what she wants. It's a discipline problem. My sis in law says it's my fault I can't deal with the bad behaviour and that I'm too sensitive.

I want to put myself first for a change. I make them a priority by coming her every year and she sees me as an option. I've had enough.

The final bit of info is that I get very bad post viral asthma and the kids are always making me sick. I often end up in A&E unable to breathe after flu/colds. When I don't see the kids, I don't get sick. When I spend time with them, no matter the time of year, I usually end up sick with flu/chest infection/asthma and it can last for weeks on end because of my dodgy lungs!

I have no contact with my mother and sibling. I grew up in a very abusive/violent home and cut contact 5 years ago after years of ongoing abuse. My sis in law has contact with both my mother and sibling, knows I don't want any contact but has failed to respect my wishes around that. Once she tried to reconcile me and my mother . The other time when drunk after my brother died, she had my other brother with her, and handed her phone over to him so he could text me (despite knowing I want no contact with him.) He sent me messages like, "everyone in this family knows you'll die alone". She also didn't tell me when my grandad died (my mum asked her not to.) These were all small betrayals as far as I'm concerned.

I've seriously questioned what I am getting out of this, she doesn't want me to see her kids at the moment anyway unless it's on her terms, and she often cancels last minute anyway and changes plans.

What would you do in my place? AIBU? I feel I've put up with so much to see the kids, but I don't want to do it anymore.

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AlwaysCheddar · 05/06/2019 21:15

Social services?

blackcat86 · 05/06/2019 21:23

You grew up in an abusive household but you dont seem to recognise your sister in laws house as one. She is hitting her children. You should not be friends with an abuser. You should contact SS and get help for those children. You should go nc with her. You should get yourself counselling so that you can recognise this better in the future and raise your standards for you allow others to treat you.

KellyW88 · 05/06/2019 21:23

I second the recommendation for Social Services. You describe a woman who is either an alcoholic or alcohol dependant, who when drunk abuses her children physically and verbally. Who willingly exposes them to drug addicts and shoplifts to boot! Distance yourself for your own health (both mental and physical).

HJWT · 05/06/2019 21:29

Social services

carla1983 · 05/06/2019 21:35

Thank you for the messages.

What would social services do? In my experience (with friends and people I know who needed them) they've been useless in the past.

Would my nieces end up in foster care which could be worse than where they are right now.

Don't get me wrong, it's not all terrible, they are looked after, fed, clothed, etc but she drinks too much at times.

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bridgetreilly · 05/06/2019 21:39

They might end up in foster care, or SIL might get support from SS to care for them better herself. Whatever you do OP, I would not cut yourself off so much that your nieces can't get in touch with you if they need you. Which it sounds like they do, and even if you can't do much to help now, maybe you can in the future. You haven't much family, and it sounds like they don't either.

SleepingStandingUp · 05/06/2019 21:49

Your SIL is physically abusing your nieces.
Your SIL is emotionally abusing your nieces.
Your poor eldest niece at the very least is already damaged by her mother.

PHONE SOCIAL SERVICES.

Walk away if you must, but please don't totally neglect those kids in doing so. At least tell SS

carla1983 · 05/06/2019 21:56

They don't end up bruised. It's a smacked bottom from time to time mostly, not getting beaten black and blue. This happened to us as kids. Will social services take this seriously?

I need to give this more thought.

I suspected that my niece was acting out because my brother (her father) died. I am worried that my nieces would go out of the frying pan and into the fire if I call social services.

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pretentiousrubberduck · 05/06/2019 21:57

Foster care will almost certainly not be worse than what they're going through now. My pil are foster carers, and the amount of checks they go through, there is no way they'd get away with any of the behaviour your sil exhibits. Especially with older children who would be able to express what was going on. Please call them, your poor nieces are being beaten and neglected. A foster family would at least calm the situation down whilst your sil gets assessed, and they won't be left alone with her at any point during the assessment period, which can take up to a year.

carla1983 · 05/06/2019 21:58

I also know if I call SS she'll know who did it. I will be out of their lives forever as retaliation. Yes I am thinking of walking away now but with a view to hopefully seeing the kids when they're older, sending birthday presents etc.

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carla1983 · 05/06/2019 21:58

Hoping to be there for them when they're older.

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Sussana30 · 05/06/2019 21:59

Yes you should be contacting social services. SS would investigate a case like this, based on an assessment offer support to the mother with parenting (likely scenario) or find alternative care for the kids. But they need to be informed as the kids are very young and the situation sounds unstable and chaotic.

Don't add to the neglect these kids are facing by ignoring the situation they are in.

Treaclesweet · 05/06/2019 22:01

Social services will do fuck all about the occasional smacked bum, and if you just fell out with her she will know it was you that called.

Personally I think you seem like hard work.
You tell her she doesn't do anything for you and then right at the end mention that your car (and presumably other things?!) are all registered to her house? That's quite a big favour she's doing you there? Plus it's not her fault if you catch colds off her kids is it? I don't really understand why you wouldn't have your inhaler on you if your asthma is as serious as you say?

carla1983 · 05/06/2019 22:04

Yep she allows me to register the car at her address. I pay her monthly for the privilege so it's not really a favour.

I developed post viral asthma a few years ago (not regular asthma - it only comes on after a cold) and didn't know how to handle it or recognise the signs of an asthma attack. That's why I didn't have the inhaler, I had no experience with the asthma until a few years ago.

No it's not her fault if I catch viruses.

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ThePants999 · 05/06/2019 22:19

You PAY her every month just because your car is registered at her address? Something that costs her zero financially and maybe a minute per year of her time?

And I bet you babysit for free for her, right?

gottastopeatingchocolate · 05/06/2019 22:20

In walking away, you are meeting your own needs, which, I am not denying, are important.

But you need to prioritise the needs of the children. If you have exaggerated the situation to elicit sympathy from MN, then step up and admit it. Otherwise, social services should be informed. They would most likely explore if it was possible to support the family to stay together, but other options such as foster care might also be on the table, depending on how severe things are (especially thinking of the drinking/hitting).

carla1983 · 05/06/2019 22:21

Yes.

Yes, of course I babysat for free as they're family. I can't babysit anymore due to my older niece's bad behaviour.

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carla1983 · 05/06/2019 22:24

The hitting is not severe, it's smacking maybe a few times per week from what I can see from the time I spent with them. I think that SS is going to do nothing about that. She's called them c--t's and little shit's when I've been there, and when she's called me on the phone in the evening she's often been drunk. She's often asking me to buy her cider on my way over. There is no exaggeration there, from my time spent with them I can see, she drinks too much.

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sobercuriouskind · 05/06/2019 22:30

If you were having a serious asthma attack, how were you able to drive to A&E? With respect, during a serious attack there is no way you are safe to drive.
Please ring Children Services - they will risk assess the situation. The occasional smacked bum will not lead to them being put into foster care, but your S-in-law can be supported to access help.
I can understand your desire to go NC but YABU for your Neice and Nephew's welfare not to paramount in the first instance.

pisspawpatrol · 05/06/2019 22:31

If you hope to continue to have a relationship with your nieces, do not walk away from them now when they are vulnerable. They won't thank you for it and it will damage your relationship with them.

Call social services, say you have some concerns. Your SiL doesn't have to know it was you who called. Your nieces deserve not to be hit and shouted at, even if it is a 'few times a week'. That's not nice for anyone. If you were being smacked on the arse a few times a week, how would you feel?

You need to think about why your niece behaves 'badly', it's probably acting out due to an unstable home life.

sobercuriouskind · 05/06/2019 22:32

*access help/support with her drinking problem which appears to be her biggest issue/risk to her children. She is a widow at a young age, perhaps she is drowning her sorrows?

KTheGrey · 05/06/2019 22:34

Have you considered making another arrangement for your car? Maybe you could sell it and then go abroad for longer than six months and think about what you need. Because your first job is to make your life work for you, and it doesn't sound like any of your family has provided much support in that. You have to go off and find what makes you happy or how will you have any happiness to share? Rescue yourself first.

carla1983 · 05/06/2019 22:35

Both of the times I've had asthma attack which the inhaler wouldn't help (or the time I didn't have it on me), I've driven myself to A&E. I don't think I was at death's door but I couldn't breathe properly either. Both were bad enough to have trouble communicating and have the nebuliser and steroids. Both times I didn't have to wait.

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carla1983 · 05/06/2019 22:39

She's been on a parenting course recently recommended by school, so I think she's on their radar. She's 43 and has been involved with multiple men since my brother died. There's a new one every couple of months.

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carla1983 · 05/06/2019 22:49

Yes I have thought about getting rid of the car but I use it to travel to the continent 6 months of the year and want to continue doing that.

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