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Lost my calm

37 replies

IABUQueen · 02/06/2019 12:11

I’m pregnant and so a lot more snappy than usual.

My in laws, are self made wealthy people. They believe they’re on top of the world.

They’re constantly constantly sneering at friends and relatives. Every conversation and visit I have with them or phone conversation, they’re talking amongst themselves being entertained by mocking someone close to them.

When I say close... I mean someone that thinks they dearly love them.. I find them very very two faced... however, they think this is a normal way of joking.

When I married DH, they were constantly mocking my relatives in front of me and behind my back with DH, as a “joke”. One of my aunt’s is on benefits, they made many comments about how she lives in a nice looking housing association and how it’s coming off their taxes.. constantly asking nosey questions about private financial situation which I obviously don’t share... however DH sees it as harmless joking because “they love your family” and continuously is transparent with his family about anything I share with him. I’ve told him about my aunts financial situation once as his families mocking made him believe she was taking advantage of the system and I was naive and instead of nipping it in then bud I told him her story and how she needed the help.

When it was time to vote brexit or remain.. they voted brexit even though they don’t live in the UK, because apparently they don’t like how their taxes are going to poor people who are “milking the government”. I introduced them to a family friend and behind closed doors they joked about how “he came to the UK and married his wife so he can live in council house and take our taxes”. Btw they only pay taxes on their house... their income isn’t declared.

Their house is an ex council which they bought....

I’ve spoken to my DH about it several times.. he thinks I’m being over the top. And that this is harmless banter.

Yesterday, I found out that his mother who works abroad and has a very high salary has not declared her income in the UK. Has been taking some benefits over the years. Not all benefits but things like grants for their kids education and so on.

I don’t usually consider it my business but I’m shocked and disgusted.. because out of all the people they mocked, they are a genuine case of someone who don’t need help at all.

Moreso.. I’ve been the subject of their sneering before and it knocked down my confidence for years.. I’m not from a wealthy background and they used to treat me like I owe them my life for being accepted - DH excluded.

When we say at the dinner table yesterday, they started sneering at a man who gave them a gift. He sees them weekly.. he trusts them with his life. He considers them family. Does sooo many favours for them..

He gave them a small gift and they started mocking his lifestyle.. how the gift isn’t adequate for them. This isn’t the first time they mock this man.. and he has been more than respectable to them. Doting with love

DH joined in.. so I got sick of it...

I raised my voice and I said “this man sees you as his close friends, he doesn’t realise that you are judging him this way. It’s good enough he wants to share with you something he liked. You would’ve done the same”.

And during the conversation my DH was having with his DM where I overheard that she said that she doesn’t declare Her income and her daughter wasn’t applying for a government help scheme- I texted him and said “ I hope you aren’t condoning fraud because I will report all of you”

Then we went back home, I lost my wits and told him how his family are wealthy but the way they think about money and other people make them seem like the most classless people I know in my life.. he was defending them and so I kept arguing telling him how I think they’re nothing more than money hungry people and value relationships based on money and that makes them very poor in their soul.

I admit I got very rude.. but that’s because over the years they used to joke between themselves that I come from wreck. “As a joke”.

DH is insulted. I feel great. AIBU?

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IABUQueen · 02/06/2019 23:24

But not all of their giving was done in good faith, mainly it was to look good and so they could boast how charitable they were.

My god... this rings soo many bells.. I used to genuinely feel my in laws are the most amazing people because all I knew was the charity work they do.. everyone around them loved them.

Until I became close.. honestly, the people they take the piss out of are also usually the people my in laws offer rediculous amount of charitable support to. It never adds up to me.

MIL disrespects the shit out of me and then showers me with gifts at the same time. When SIL tried giving me a gift while being absolutely horrible I rejected her gift. But with MIL I can’t be this direct.. as DH doesn’t see why I’m so uncomfortable with her style of gift giving. It doesn’t make sense to me to behave in a way that undermines someone yet obsessively gift them without occasions..

Until one day SIL confirmed to me that her mum told her the reasons she gifts me clothes and soft furnishing is because she thinks I have no taste. Clearly this was a fact shared about me to DH and the rest of their household. So now her gifts just stay somewhere safe until I’m safe to regift them.

I’m really struggling to understand the psychology. I don’t understand because I have never come across such people in life. Don’t know how I landed here

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MissPollyHadADolly19 · 02/06/2019 23:54

It really is the worst type of "giving", to have to brag and boast about an act of kindness is almost as bad as not bothering at all!! If not worse!!
They sound really horrible tbh OP I don't know how you've managed to cope this long!
Does you DH not see how they're wrong? Then again it's hard when it's what youve been accustomed to your whole life.
My DHs family are a little like this, not so much his immediate family but his extended family are extremely materialistic although not overly wealthy. I keep my distance from them.

IABUQueen · 03/06/2019 01:12

This is testing my very foundations of tolerance. And I’m really struggling to find any tolerance and empathy.

Can someone offer me an explanation that might help me find common ground with them. I really have to coexist and I’m so repulsed it’s not even healthy

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Guadalquivir19 · 03/06/2019 03:48

When the dust settles after a couple of months, I would report them to HMRC for undeclared income. Plus I would report them anonymously for claiming benefits that they're not entitled to in the UK. Particularly as they're wealthy they can afford the legal advice they'll need to avoid prosecution. It might shut them up for a bit.

IABUQueen · 03/06/2019 11:26

I’ve just about surprised myself that I had the courage to speak up firmly. So I don’t want to push myself to be more righteous until I’m ready. If ever it is my place.

At the end of the day these are my Kids grandparents and I can’t betray them while being amongst them. I just hope to keep my distance and develop the courage to speak up. And be very firm with my DH about how he needs to put a stop to all this.

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CurtainsOpen · 03/06/2019 11:29

Some people are just total cunts. Your in-laws are two of them.

IABUQueen · 03/06/2019 13:37

It’s taking me a while to get this confirmation.

Now that i have it I actually feel really depressed. I was slightly hopeful my analysis was wrong and perhaps I can figure out a way to understand them.

They have such big influence on our lives and it seems impossible I can distance myself as much as I wish.

My only hope is for DH to see what I’m seeing but he is taking baby steps towards that and I’m losing patience.

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UnicornBrexit · 03/06/2019 13:47

Yet a majority of people who are wealthy will still take advantage of the NHS and not make the choice to go private, will still enroll their children in state schools, reap the benefits from the govt.

I actually don't know where to start with this. These wealthy people will be paying taxes, it is their RIGHT to make a choice on whether they utilise their money on private healthcare or private education for their off spring. Normally you have foaming and frothing on MN about people BUYING life choices that are inaccessible to the masses. eg Private Education.

I like Germanys idea of reduced taxation for people who CHOOSE to utilise private services. That'd make a dent.

OP your inlaws are insecure Nouveau riche^ who are socially gauche.

Poloshot · 03/06/2019 13:52

Self made wealthy people who live when in the UK in an ex council house? Not that wealthy then

Sparkle733 · 03/06/2019 13:52

Good on you for telling them!

IABUQueen · 03/06/2019 14:04

Self made wealthy people who live when in the UK in an ex council house? Not that wealthy then

Well yes. That’s not their only property. But that’s the one they got when they were “poor” on benefits.. and then managed to buy it off and made their wealth and got many others. They did start off to be quite below average though. And got helped by sooo many good willing people some of whole they’re now mocking. Which is what boggles my mind.

They’re a bit sentimental about this one house though. But the point I’m making is their own house is a reminder of their origins yet they’re totally snobbish about people who are in that position.

Unicorn I agree with you. In most cases everyone is fully entitled to the NHS. My in laws however don’t pay any taxes and so are actually taking full advantage. They’re declared unemployed.

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MissPollyHadADolly19 · 03/06/2019 16:46

@Unicorn as the OP states their income isn't declared. So what right is it they have? Or many others who don't pay taxes yet still reap the benefits?
Even those who do pay taxes but are so judgemental they'd sit and mock the less fortunate and accuse them of being "scroungers".

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