to think chavy, tacky hen parties should SOD off [Edited by MNHQ at OP's request]

[CannoninD]

I’m fed up.
I’ve lived in my beautiful, respectful and historic city my entire life .... but over the last year it’s been invaded by GOD AWFUL hen parties!

20+ strong groups of horrifically common (referring to behaviour not social class) women who inflict their horrific behaviour on everybody within reach.

They’re EVERYWHERE and I know it’s not just me as there are sunbstantial concerns being raised by residents all over the city.

I counted 23 large groups this weekend (I only walked into the (small ish) city centre on Saturday morning and witnessed the following behaviour-

• Loud swearing (F and C word) right in front of/across young families and children just trying to enjoy a day out.
• Shop doors slammed in elderly shoppers faces (too busy pratting around to pay any attention).
• Stock being damaged by pratting about (and then hidden) to avoid paying.
• Horrifically vulgar and inappropriate content being loudly discussed in family areas (a garden/park area) to the point that families got up and left.
• Completely inappropriate Lingerie being worn in the street (before 2pm).
• Vomiting in the street! Whilst being jeered by the rest of the group.

Personally I would rather bleach out my own eyes than go on a hen do like this- but honestly at what point do we just call the police on these ridiculous idiots inflicting such unreasonable behaviour on families and regular people? What’s worse is, I bet back home they’re perfectly normal women. They just all get together and come away from home and behave like total arseholes!

Being in a large group and celebrating an event- does not give you a hall pass to behave like scum. 😡

I just googled the word. Every single definition I read references lower social class. People might want to say it means other things but it's a coded word similar to how "thug" is in the US is a coded word.

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/kevin-trashy-name-germany_n_56671751e4b079b2819034f7?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9jb25zZW50LnlhaG9vLmNvbS9jb2xsZWN0Q29uc2VudD9zZXNzaW9uSWQ9M19jYy1zZXNzaW9uXzU2MWRhZDVjLTc4NGMtNDNmOS1hZTE2LWI1YTlkY2IzNjU0YyZsYW5nPWVuLXVzJmlubGluZT1mYWxzZQ&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKHyQKtkZ1z1unZyXEoP1KQzC1EWWyhewqrh1_auePBzBjdLeUzi6dKT6vxBySw-u8yZyNL-lpf4MY-V1Mrk1LXWuSUTVrS3TgkrdUF0EuHThHEf699FLA_D2nF-iX0rus4Ip_VU7W7sh4DlY8DcFmO7AArVoazV03u8iB06G2_n

Ooh strange odd link, sorry!

I think it’s coded closer to what I think would be referred to by my US friends would refer to as trailer park trash or redneck than thug.

Granted chav is not a pleasant term, but hyperbolic in this case to sum up the type of behaviour being witnessed.

Thankfully I don't know anyone in the US who thinks it's acceptable to call people trash, especially in the context of the only housing that they can afford. That is a deeply offensive slur.

It's possible to talk about bad behavior without using words that are widely understood to be slurs rooted in social snobbery.

I think “chavvy” is quite tame and means what it says on the tin really. There are worse descriptions such as “scum” or, even worse, “council house scum” that are ruder.

Very fond memories of York. I did my LPC at the College of Law there. Spent many a subsequent weekend at the Rooms at the Blue Bicycle.

I have fond memories of the pub on the river with the flood marker in the bar and a god awful firetrap of a nightclub - very narrow, lots of stairs and sticky carpets.

Chavvy behavior describes it perfectly in my opinion. It doesn't matter what class you are, if the queen was wearing a pink t shirt with 'luscious lizzie' on the back wielding a huge plastic cock I'd think she was a massive chav as well.*

Quote of the Day I think.*

Oops posted too soon - meant to say THIS, totally.

I think “chavvy” is quite tame and means what it says on the tin really. There are worse descriptions such as “scum” or, even worse, “council house scum” that are ruder

There are ruder terms than trailer trash and redneck too. It still doesn't mean either of those are ok.

So what exactly does chavvy mean when used in Baby Names? No social class connotation there, then?
Common sense would dictate they are names associated with chavvy behaviour.

It's easy to get tied in knots trying to argue there's no social links between class and chavvy behaviour, but there are. Acknowledging that does not mean that you think all working class people are chavs (which is how the pearl clutchy MNetters like to present it). I had a working class upbringing and my mam would tell me I wasn't having certain clothing because it's common or looked rough.

Like it or not names are popular in different areas. Some school catchment it's like the who's who of MN top names, others it's the who's who of made up spellings and names that many MNers would consider chavvy. It doesn't mean those children are chavs, but the social association is there (a bit like Tarquin and Cordelia being associated with upper middle class).

Threads getting derailed whilst we debate the wrongness if the language used.

Let’s agree; the OP is definitely not U to say that the behaviour she’s evidenced and others have attested to is absolutely not OK regardless of who is perpetuating it. Those doing it are disgusting and completely in the wrong, and those charged with accountability for the City if York should be taking measures to halt it immediately.

@PanGalaticGargleBlaster

Spot on, and beautifully put.

I can’t help feeling that those dredging up the use of ‘chavy’ and ‘common’ simply haven’t RTFT as the ‘official’ UK definitions of both words have been presented, discussed and deemed ‘technically correct’.

So we can keep going around in circles but I’ve uses both words correctly, appropriately and If anybody chooses to view them in a slang/derogatory manner I would suggest that’s their own issue.

On another note, I HAVE to go into town this morning (it can not be avoided) and I’m absoloutley dreading it! 😫

Ignoring all the definitions...

I don’t think yabu. I used to work in a restaurant/bar and the amount of pissed up woman on hen dos (during the day), sucking cock straws, whilst pretending to wank off a blow up doll was ridiculous. They were rude, loud, aggressive. Arse grabbing members of staff, trying to steal spirits.

Tacky. That said stag dos weren’t much better!

Hazmat suit and ear defenders OP. Do it at a run.

if the queen was wearing a pink t shirt with 'luscious lizzie' on the back wielding a huge plastic cock

Now there's an image that'll last

Sorry for the misspelling MissConduct!

I remember going to NYC before Giuliani took office and it was terrifying. I’ve been many times during/after his tenure and I wouldn’t think twice about taking my kids there now - even on Saturdays.. Can’t say the same thing for York unfortunately. Why should my kids be exposed to effing this and that, sex dolls and graphic anal sex descriptions when they’re just trying to buy a scented pencil in Smiggle.

Honestly, chuck a few groups in the slammer till they’ve sobered up/their train home, people will soon realise that that behaviour just isn’t acceptable on Saturday afternoons (or anytime really).

For visitors who do find them here on Saturdays can I suggest a leisurely brunch on bishopthorpe road then a five minute walk from there to the city walls, getting off them to visit the minster. That should keep you from the worst of it.

I suspect this may be my beautiful, respectful and historic city too. Only yesterday afternoon I saw a group of ‘well lubricated’ women sittting at tables outside a city pub sporting ‘willy’ headbands and sucking on ‘willy’ straws. I did wonder how mothers of young children would explain that to their offspring! Call me what you like; I will never voluntarily drink through a ‘willy’ straw regardless of the occasion...

Its awful.

People should confront them on their vile behaviour.

They're rude, chavvy, disrespectful idiots.

Its also incredibly sad.

People should confront them on their vile behaviour.

Are you kidding?? you go and do that and they will pull you down by the hair until you are in the floor and then give you a gang kicking (I have seen it, I also saw them really pestering the victim until she said something and the new they went for her).

... and THEN they went for her.

Stag/Henwatch today:

At 5:30 today, the worst behaviour consisted of crimes against fashion. There was some raucous and out of tune singing to songs performed by buskers, but no harassment of the buskers. One woman tripped and dropped her handbag, probably due to a combination of booze and heels, but she picked everything up and carried on. One woman stopped to give a cigarette to a homeless man who asked. A group of men were chatting quietly amongst themselves as they ate pasties outside the bakery.

If you were expecting high levels of debauchery and anti social behaviour, today was not the day to find it.