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To think that the EU election result...

35 replies

Thadeus · 27/05/2019 11:26

....shows the remainers that we dont need another referendum?

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Peridot1 · 27/05/2019 11:36

No. It doesn’t show me that.

It does show me that the country is as divided as ever and that sadly there will be no winners. The divisions and bitterness will be felt for years.

RussianSpamBot · 27/05/2019 11:41

How?

Eemamc · 27/05/2019 11:44

If you add up the votes for the remainer parties it outnumbers the Brexit Party. The vote was spilt, it’s quite simple arithmetic if you care to look at it.

MyOtherProfile · 27/05/2019 11:45

Quite the opposite OP.

Huggybear16 · 27/05/2019 11:46

No, it doesn't show that at all. Would you like help with the numbers, OP?

Gigglinghysterically · 27/05/2019 11:46

YABU. It doesn't show that. Haven't you seen the other thread where people are discussing (for want of a better word) whether Leave or Remain parties won or lost? It'll be a never-ending argument.

The result gives a message to the previously dominant political parties that they need to listen to the electorate. They need to think about why they lost seats and what those who gained seats represent.

Then they need to 'get with the programme' and deliver whatever the majority of the electorate want.

Everytimeref · 27/05/2019 11:47

Actually the figures show that the majority of those who voted want to remain. Shame the turnout was so low it's difficult to say what the actual country wants.

Cariadne · 27/05/2019 11:48

How do you figure that one out...?

BloomsButtons · 27/05/2019 11:48

Have you seen the map of the results?! The gulf between Scotland and the rest of the UK is as wide as ever if not even more so.

fedup21 · 27/05/2019 11:48

I don’t think it showed that at all!

Conks · 27/05/2019 11:50

The majority is leave. I’m a remainer and even I can see that

WeirdAndPissedOff · 27/05/2019 11:54

The thing is, this election was always going to favour the Brexit party because the people who feel most strongly about the issue were going to vote for them.
The remain vote was split - those who want to remain either voted for a pro-remain party, or the one they thought would best represent us in the event we remained in the EU. Those who want to leave mostly voted for the Brexit party.

There's no real way to gauge how people truly feel, short of another referendum. And even then, unless we have something like 90%+ voter turnout and a large majority win people will continue to argue about the result and what it meant forever.

RubberTreePlant · 27/05/2019 11:56

Nope.

BernardsarenotalwaysSaints · 27/05/2019 11:56

But it doesn’t, show that so YABU.

MRex · 27/05/2019 11:56

The majority opinion delivered by nearly 2/3 off the electorate seemed to be "I don't think these EU elections matter". The minority opinion delivered by those 1/3 of the electorate who voted seemed to be "Our opinions are as divided as they were before". Anyone making sweeping assumptions can safely say that the majority of the country are not happy with the Conservatives nor with Labour, but opinions beyond that involve data manipulation to give a view of what someone wants to see rather than reality.

MRex · 27/05/2019 11:57

*of not off!

OrdinarySnowflake · 27/05/2019 11:57

Unfortunately, it does show that the "no deal" option doesn't have the majority view. Neither does "no Brexit" overall. And noone can agree on what the other option(s) should be.

This is the problem for the last 3 years has been one that the Leave side has been studiously trying to avoid - If you ask 100 remain voters what relationship they would like with the EU, pretty much all of them will say "same as we have now". It's clear what "remain" means to both remain voters and leave voters.

However if you as 100 Leave voters what the relationship with UK should have with the EU (and let's face it, they are our nearest neighbours, we do need to trade with them and it's the place most of us go on holiday when we go overseas), you'll get 4/5/6 different answers, with no one answer having more than 50% agreement.

This is the problem that Leave needs to address, unfortunately, they seem to think Remain have a duty to do that. Leave couldn't agree amongst themselves what sort of relationship with the EU they wanted after leaving.

Just leaving isn't enough of an answer - until they can speak with one voice about how it will work, they won't win over any remainers, and they do need to get the remainers on side if they want to avoid a campaign to rejoin the EU being successful within the decade.

64632K · 27/05/2019 11:59

Another devisive post. There were no clear winners for remain or leave, the Brexit Party had a majority share in MEPs yes but this does not mean that brexiteers won, nor does it mean the remainers won if you tally up the vote for the so called remainer parties. The fact is, apary from Brexit Party, there are many reasons why people would bote Green/LD/Labour/Conservative or any of the others. If it was a simple Stay in the EU party vs Brexit Party then that may have been an indication. But again you need to look at the % of the electorate that voted! Hardly reflective at all. The vote was for MEPs not whether we should stay or leave!
I hate the way news and all.the trimmings have been designed to coerce people into a remainer vs leaver thinking. FFS the referendum vote was won marginally by the leave vote but this does not indicate how the leavers wanted to leave and we must respect the fact that nearly 50% wanted to stay. Nobody won, we as a Nation are just losing out.

Trevorwhatever · 27/05/2019 12:07

64632K is right. This vote wasn’t for remain or leave. A lot of people may have voted along these lines but that wasn’t what this vote was about. I voted green but I am not remainer. I voted green because I care about the environment and it’s more important to me than brexit. If it was a leave or remain vote I would have voted leave.

Yabbers · 27/05/2019 12:15

Everyone seems to want to say this vote strengthens their position. They can’t all be right. Maybe some people just voted for their local MEP representative. After all, that’s what the election was for,

QueenoftheBiscuitTin · 27/05/2019 12:24

The turnout rate wasn't even 40%, so you can hardly compare it to the referendum Hmm

Seniorschoolmum · 27/05/2019 12:29

I think it shows that the view “we should have another vote because people know more details now” isn’t valid, because although we now know more details, no one on either side has changed their mind. Another referendum would be a waste of money.

But that doesn’t solve the fundamental problem.

Thunderwing · 27/05/2019 12:34

Fewer people voted for Nigel Farage The Brexit Party (5.2 million) than signed the petition to Revoke Article 50 (just over 6 million).

Everything remains as clear as mud.

janetforpresident · 27/05/2019 12:37

Everything remains as clear as mud
This is about all it tells us

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 27/05/2019 12:38

It shows that a second vote would solve nothing- this country is still divided

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