To feel sorry for these parents

[Redskyatnight88]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-48372230

Difficult situation but I think most parents would send money if they believed their son or daughter could be in danger. I feel very sorry for them that this has ended up in court.

I have absolutely no sympathy for people who fund terrorism.Maybe if these fucking idiots had learned to say NO to their child they wouldn't all be in the mess they are now!

He went to help ISIS specifically, to fight and kill people. SB didn't fight or kill anyone. He was over 18, SB was still a child.

The parents had been told by multiple sources that he was radicalised and fighting. There is evidence in the form of email exchanges. Sending money to fund a terrorist equals funding terrorism. All terrorists are someones son

I can actually understand them sending him money more than I understand them paying for a flight out there.

If my child was in the kind of situation where I was terrified for their life I would send money to help (I think most of us would) what I can't get over is the fact that they didn't stop him going in the first place, even after they had been warned.

So hithere12 no it's not the same thing at all. Jihadi Jack is an adult male who travelled to Syria to fight with ISIS and kill 'dirty non-muslims'. Whereas SB was a female child who was groomed and travelled to Syria to be raped and impregnated.

Again, this family are Canadian in origin. Applying SB logic, we would be calling to have them sent to Canada for them to deal with

If SB parents had bought her ticket and sent her money, how would you feel about them?

I think I might too. In ordinary circumstances I know I would. In those circumstances, I don't know. It is hard to put myself in their shoes. All I do know is that I have seen parents buy illegal drugs to try to keep their adult child under the safety of their own roof while also trying to wean them off drugs. I have even seen a father sell his home to pay for therapy to help his son kick the habit. Desperate parents do desperate things.

Whatevermission, I am afraid there is evidence from local witnesses that Shamima was part of an unpleasant female unit that enforced IS's depraved views on the local Syrian population. I don't think it is possible to say that anyone who joined IS territory was just a Mum. We don't know exactly what any of these individuals have done, but we do know that they support and almost certainly carried out acts of extreme cruelty in the name of the warped ideology they continue to believe in. They are extremely dangerous people and they should face the criminal justice system in the land where they committed their crimes. Iraq has a functioning justice system, even if Syria doesn't.

I feel sorry for the parents on a 'human' level - they obviously love their son. However they absolutely should not have paid for his plane ticket and then sent him money - thats batshit crazy

Prosecutors showed the jury an email where Ms Lane told a friend she had been stressed about “Jack saying he was going to fight in Syria”, but had then told his parents he had “decided not to fight”.

This for me is the bit that lost any sympathy for the parents. If you get the slightest hint that your child is going down that road you don't buy them a flight away from you.

I can understand a desperate parent buying a child drugs to keep them under their roof, but this is different. This would be the equivilant of a parent paying for their child to go live in a notorious crack den thousands of miles away. It's the opposite of keeping him safe under their roof.

I could understand a parent sending money to a cihld out there once if the child said they wanted to come home. That desperation I'd understand.

@DoneLikeAKipper totally agree with you

I don't have any sympathy for these 2 parents. I can't remember the exact details but I have read about these 2 parents before where they have stood up for their DS and his actions. If I remember rightly there ar a couple of armchair activists themselves.

I haven’t got any sympathy for either of them, or SB.

Presumably if found guilty the father will be deported to Canada after serving his sentence? Why hasn't Sajid Javid stripped Jack Letts of his UK citizenship already - he's a dual national so legal under international law. Such a mystery 🤔

No sympathy at all

They were told to confiscate his passport. Instead they paid for a trip to the Middle East.

They were told repeatedly by the police not to send him money. They apparently sent/tried to sent over £1k.

They refer to his terrorism as a "grand adventure."

What I find most frustrating is the pretence that they somehow "made a mistake", when actually they were warned repeatedly and still chose to go ahead with funding Jack's terrorist ambitions

I've got no more sympathy for them than I have with their ghastly son, and hope they get the sort of sentence which might cause other such parents to think again

Presumably if found guilty the father will be deported to Canada after serving his sentence? Why hasn't Sajid Javid stripped Jack Letts of his UK citizenship already - he's a dual national so legal under international law. Such a mystery 🤔

I know, right? What a puzzle...

This is from February. According to this, he has NOT been stripped of his UK citizenship himself, let alone his immigrant parents. How can this be justified by the UK government, when compared with SB. This guy actually has dual citizenship, whereas SB doesn't.

He says in the video that he was happy when the Manchester and London attacks, happened

www.itv.com/news/2019-02-22/jihadi-jack-interview-jack-letts-itv-news-syria/

kitty and lysis, I really hope this helps people really see the double standards applied to white and brown people. Not just by the public, but by the institutions of the UK.

No, I've no sympathy, they aren't stupid and knew what they were doing.

Presumably if found guilty the father will be deported to Canada after serving his sentence? Why hasn't Sajid Javid stripped Jack Letts of his UK citizenship already - he's a dual national so legal under international law. Such a mystery

He is not trying to come back to the UK.

It remains that she didn't kill anyone.

That we know of.

I really hope this helps people really see the double standards applied to white and brown people. Not just by the public, but by the institutions of the UK.

But these parents are going through the courts. Double standards would be if they were automatically let off because of 'sympathy'. They are not and quite rightly so.

Double standards for JACK and SHAMIMA

Yes, he DOES want to return to the UK. And, when Shamima made that request, she had her citizenship revoked.

Yes, he DOES want to return to the UK.

But he is in prison. He is not coming home. Same as with Shamima. Until she was in a position to actually come home, her citizenship was revoked. Not before. Until Jack is released from prison, you have no way of assuming he won't be stripped of his citizenship.

I don't see the need to make direct comparisons TBH.

They are two very sad cases, but every case is different.

This case is just bizarre. Clearly in SB’s case, the parents (the father at least), was in alignment with ISIS’s anti-West stance, whether or not they knew she planned to join ISIS.

However, in JL’s case they were presumably not ISIS sympathisers. So why on earth did they pay for his flight?

I can understand them wiring him money if they believed he was starving or needed it to escape, but that first flight... and the comment about it being an adventure....

I really don’t like the way some posters are using these cases to cry racism. There are hundreds of ex-ISIS members - if all colours - back in the UK who have not had their citizenship taken away.

The father is Canadian. The mother is British, with landed immigrant status in Canada.

SB was part of ISIS’ morality police and even now, says it did nothing wrong.