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Hoarding...

14 replies

mrsb345 · 21/05/2019 22:31

My parents have been married for 32 years. My dad had a crap start in life but he's made it so much better, brilliant marriage, great job, amazing social life
However I am terrified the affect it's having on my mum... he is a hoarder.
I'm not just meaning a few boxes of items etc.
I mean a double garage filled with boxes, bags and items to the ceiling, the dressing room is not accessible due to items, wardrobe is filled with items (no clothes fit the wardrobe so they're in piles on the bedroom floor).
I bought a banana box back from the supermarket and he took it immediately saying it was a priory job, he filled it with newspapers.

Anyone had experience to support a family member with this? I know my mum has put up with this for years but it isn't healthy for anyone. ☹️

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Omzlas · 21/05/2019 23:23

No practical advice, you might find a bit more info on the mental health board? Also, there's a LONG post on the housekeeping (?) board, about a regular poster who is helping a friend with their serious hoarding issue, that's a good thread to read and tonnes of food advice / insights

MitziK · 21/05/2019 23:26

Experience dictates that you stay the hell away from the hoarder and the hoard - and never have anything in your possession that might interest them, not even a car full of utter shite to take to the tip.

BackforGood · 21/05/2019 23:34

Offer to help ? Gently, but actually mean it.
Then accept that putting some stuff out is hard for them, and you are not helping by taking their stuff and throwing it, you might be able to elp by taking away some things they have agreed to part with.

Pippin2028 · 21/05/2019 23:35

My family members have a huge issue with hoarding, if I could I would hire a skip to get rid of all the junk but unfortantely I think there's so many physcological factors. My mother has a huge problem and won't accept help and so do a few of her sisters, I also think it's something to do with my grandparents being fairly poor in their lives and not wanting to get rid of things because they spent money on something 20 years ago! But it drives me crazy to the point I don't want to be in their homes so I do sympathize and would also appreciate advice!

Seniorschoolmum · 22/05/2019 06:34

What does your mum think? Is she willing to make a stand?

Can you start with the news papers. They are a fire hazard so can you take the box that he has filled for you, get rid of the papers and give him the box back?

agnurse · 22/05/2019 06:38

Here's the thing. If you clear out the hoard but don't address the underlying psychological issues, he will likely just build up a new hoard.

HE has to be ready to address the issue before you can realistically do anything about it.

Unless he is declared mentally incompetent to make his own decisions, he has the right to live at risk.

In the meantime, I'd suggest staying away from their house for your own safety. Hoards can be incredibly dangerous.

mrsb345 · 22/05/2019 08:19

Thank you all so so much... lots of brill advice, I'll be working on it.. x

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DianaT1969 · 22/05/2019 08:34

On a TV documentary about hoarders, it seemed a common theme that the hoarder had an emotional hole to fill. Such as losing a parent young, or losing out on opportunities that they didn't get closure on.
Do you think your father would try therapy with someone who specialises in hoarding issues?
He probably doesn't see the negative impact of his hoarding, so I imagine it will be hard to convince him.

Blondebakingmumma · 22/05/2019 10:55

I think your mum should negotiate half of the house is hers to keep as she likes and your father can hoard till his heart is content in the other half.

MypetPorghasdied · 22/05/2019 11:50

Mrsb, you have my utmost sympathy as there is nothing you can do until the absolute crisis point is reached.
My Fil is a chronic hoarder and your description of your DF is Fil to a T - I read your post to my DP and asked him who he thought I was talking about and he replied "my Dad?".

My Pil's have a 3 bed semi and at its worst it was crammed with boxes, books and junk and Fil would not stop buying or acquiring more stuff as it was: a bargain/makes me look clever/I'll read that/I need it/interesting/ can't find the other 5 of these that I have somewhere etc. He also kept all junk mail by sorting into piles of take the stamp off/envelope for recycling/I'll keep that for reference so I can use it later even if it's 5 years out of date. He also kept jars, milk containers, yoghurt pots, newspapers, toilet roll tubes etc. You name it he kept it. This is probably sounding all too familiar?
My Mil gave up tidying about 8 years ago and started a slow decline into dementia so her last years were spent in a dirty, dusty house where no one ever visited as there was nowhere to sit, the smell was horrid and going in the house made you feel dirty.
We stopped the grandchildren visiting 6 years ago and told Fil why and this had no effect. Nothing had any effect on his hoarding even with the following incidences:

*They each fell down the stairs due to books stacked there - no effect
*Mil fell quite a few times over stuff and had black eyes, lost teeth etc

  • no effect
  • Fil cut his leg on one of his own boxes and nearly lost his leg/life due to the infection it caused - no effect
  • Fil has COPD made worse by the dust - no effect
  • Fil even took stuff on holiday ('to sort it') and when Mil fell over one of his piles and broke her leg he drove her 80 miles home (screaming in pain apparently) and then called an ambulance because he didn't want to inconvenience of having to visit her in a hospital 80 miles away - no effect
  • Mil had a funny turn (had heart murmur) while being made to turn the sofa upside down to look for the tv remote and ambulance was called. Paramedic called DP to let him know that she was going to hospital for a check up and asked if he was aware that his parents had had a domestic incident and did he want the police informed? DP assured the paramedic that it wasn't dv and that the house always looked like that. The remote was located under a pile of magazines that Fil was 'sorting' - this also had no effect
  • Mil was often ill after eating at home due to filthy plates/cutlery and out of date food (Fil has constitution of an ox!) - no effect
  • We gave an ultimatum 3 years ago that Fil allow us to tidy the house for Mil's sake or we would all leave them to it.Fil agreed to clearing the house. We even got a skip and filled it in one afternoon and were making progress. Fil then said that he no longer agreed with tidying and that there wasn't a problem. We walked away. - no effect

All of the above has happened in the last 5 years but then last year things changed as the final crisis point was reached. Again DP had a call from a paramedic during the night (DP had POA over his mum's affairs by this point so he was first contact). Paramedic said that Mil had had a funny turn again while in bed but when they checked her over she was riddled with bedbug bites which had caused low blood pressure/ palpitations and they thought that the bites needed treatment and she needed care for possible malnourishment etc. The house was infested with bedbugs. Fil had known for about a month and had been spraying his side of the bed with bug spray but nowhere else. So Mil went to hospital and social services became involved. With their insistence and DP's agreement, Fil was told that she would not be coming home until the house had been treated and that the house had to be cleared of junk to an acceptable standard. So we cleared as much as we could after the treatment while being shouted at by Fil. Mil came home and 4 weeks later the bedbugs were back.

This time we threw out all their beds, bedding, clothes that didn't fit etc and cleared the house of all junk (Mil was back in hospital for infected bites at SS insistence)and had the pest controller back in . Fil was very shouty again but DP, Bil, Sil & I held firm and told him that if he wanted his wife back then he had to comply. He shut up and spent the day phoning everyone he knew to tell them how horrible we were being and how we were destroying his life's work (yes, that is how he thought of it!!). Once we were sure that the bedbug problem had been fixed, we had carers come in 3 days a week to clean the house and to keep some kind of order in the house.

Things are more settled now. My DP spends his time keeping the junk piles under control and the carers keep the house as clean as they can. Fil is less mobile now so he can't go back to full hoarder mode but he is still very messy so we have to keep on our toes and clear his 'sorting' stuff out weekly. Mil went into a dementia care home 9 months ago and died last week after quite happily spending her last months in a lovely clean quiet environment which is something she had not enjoyed for the last 8 years.

In the end the hoarding was stopped by the simple bedbug which gave us the necessary power to take control of the inlaws misery. Fil is now happier in his home and the shame he felt over the bedbugs forced a change over him but we are never fooled into thinking that we can let the tidying go and it is a constant, never ending job for us.

Things only changed once the apex of crisis was reached because to the hoarder, it isn't rubbish - it is treasure. Mrsb, I hope that you can persuade your DF to change but chances are that he won't and he won't have therapy either as he can't admit that the hoarding is an issue. Support your DM as best you can but chances are she'll (like my Mil) back up your dad due to loyalty to him and that's what a wife does when you've been married that long. Pil's were married 67 years and Mil would never hear a bad word against Fil. All you can do is wait and pick up the pieces as things deteriorate as they age.

Sorry that was very long!!

Ticklingcheese · 22/05/2019 12:03

Only something I have read, but perhaps useful? Hoarding is in some cases a form of ocd (there are many forms not just cleaning and hand washing), if so cognitive therapy may help. Could be worth investigating.

Bumbalaya · 22/05/2019 12:09

If you look on the NHS website there is stuff about hoarding on there.
My husband is a hoarder and I have a shed in our garden for all of his boxes. We have a spare room which ALL his crap goes in so that it doesn’t affect the rest of the house.
There is an addict like vibe about hoarders in that if you try to throw out the 50th washing basket for example they really get hurt by it and sometimes get aggressive as though you’ve taken alcohol from an alcoholic.
I resorted to ultimatums e.g I will leave you if you don’t address this insanity.
He now goes to therapy but is still a PITA in terms of chronic procrastination issue which obviously affect our marriage negatively.

I’ve heard that it’s a lot to do with early loss and a need to control. But that’s for the hoarders to deal with
Is your mum enabling this?

Whosorrynow · 22/05/2019 22:02

@Mypet, the Saga that you relate is absolutely astounding 😱

FizzBuzzBangWoof · 22/05/2019 22:08

My DH comes from a family of hoarders

The amount of stuff that needed to be cleared out of my FIL's house when he died was unbelievable

I'm very sceptical that the tendency to hoard is something you can be cured from unfortunately so can't provide any advice other than to try to accept that hoarding is part of who your father is that he is unable to change

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