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AIBU to think this surely can't be right?

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justchecking1 · 20/05/2019 21:47

Hi all, I posted a thread a few weeks back asking for help for DP. This is the original thread:

m posting this on behalf of DP. I know you'll say it's none of my business, but I have access to Mumsnet and he doesn't do easier for me to ask. I'm not get involved in real life other than to support DP.

*Access arrangements for his DD have broken down. Previously he had 2 evenings every week and EOW Friday to Sunday. His ex has now said one evening per week and every Sunday 10-8. No overnights. DP also has other children who followed the same pattern (no changes with these).

ExP won't say why she wants to change but has recently started a new hobby for which she needs childcare every Sunday. This would seem to be the reason.

She won't go back on the new arrangement so DP has arranged mediation and is fully prepared to go to court. However, he can't get an individual interview date for mediation until end of May so it looks like the whole process is likely to take months.

My question is, what does he do in the meantime. He clearly doesn't want to stop seeing DD, that isn't an option. However his fear is that if he goes along with the suggested contact then by the time it finally gets to court the judge will see it as the new normal and won't change it back again. It clearly isn't in DDs best interests as it reduces her sibling contact and since her GPs live far away she will never see them (can't get there and back in one day and they can't get to us).

Should we stick to EOW but just have the Sunday's? Or go along with every Sunday? What would be your advice for now if in the future DP was going to ask the judge for the original agreement back?**

I'm wondering now if you can help with the next issue. DP went to mediation, put his side across and was told ExP would now be invited to do the same. He hadn't heard anything so contacted the mediation centre to find out what was happening. He was told ExP had stated she didn't want to attend. In the meantime contact has been mostly reestablished as per their original agreement. However DP still keen to get something in writing so that ExP can't keep doing this.

On pick up at the weekend ExP quite blatantly stated that he would have no choice now but to take her to court if he wanted an agreement in writing and that she hoped it would cost him everything he had. He asked what she meant and she just smirked at him, saying it will cost him more than money. He again asked what she meant, and she said if he takes it to court she will claim he is harassing and intimidating her and will get an order from the court to prove it. She will then be entitled to legal aid while he will be likely to lose his job (works with children) or at least any chance of a decent career.

DP is very rattled by this and from asking around it appears you don't need any objective evidence for a harassment order or non-molestation order, just the subjective "feeling" of being intimidated is enough. There is absolutely no evidence of harassment or intimidation as it simply hasn't happened. He is now saying he is too frightened to take her to court as any sniff of any sort of abuse accusation genuinely could end his career.

Surely this can't be right?? Surely she needs some kind of evidence to claim abuse? Are the courts not wise to this type of claim at the point that legal action is threatened in order to claim legal aid?

I am dumbfounded that he can be held over a barrel like this but he is terrified to pursue things in case she is right.

I am asking on here for anyone with any experience to give their view on things as if she may be able to pull this off, DP is genuinely screwed and won't be able to go to court, but this seems unbelievable to my (probably naive) brain!

Thank you for any advice you can offer

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Crunched · 20/05/2019 22:19

No advice, just wanted to say my hearts aches for your DP and hope your post is seen by someone who can help.

justchecking1 · 20/05/2019 22:21

Thank you @Crunched, me too

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Nefney14 · 20/05/2019 22:36

I don’t know the ins and outs of the law but my sister had a non molestation order on a very abusive ex boyfriend (social services were close to taking her daughter and made her take some steps to protect herself including this) and from what she told me the process was horrible for her. She had to show text messages and be cross examined almost about the tiniest details she was really upset when she came home from court. So basing it purely on that I’d say it’s unlikely she’d get one without evidence because my sister had social services recommendation for the non molestation order and still had to supply an awful lot including statements from other professionals that had noticed the abuse and raised concerns previously

redastherose · 20/05/2019 23:01

You could ask that this is moved over to the legal board. There are several very experienced solicitors/barristers who hang out on there.

frazzledasarock · 20/05/2019 23:10

When I got a non molestation order I had statements from the police and my barrister had to present the reason for each point of the non-mol to the judge who considered it before agreeing to the non-mol and each aspect of it.

Even then ex was allowed to go to court to argue against it if he felt it was unfair and could show the judge that it was. He didn’t as it was more than deserved.

I doubt non-mols have become easy to obtain since.

But if I were you’re DP, I’d email the ex about contact and that’s it and then take it to court. Make sure he covers his back & doesn’t give her any opportunity to make false allegations.

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