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Farage...... help an idiot

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Myworstnightmare123 · 20/05/2019 19:29

Can someone explain to me the ramifications of a Farage victory?

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DoomOnTheBroom · 20/05/2019 19:50

We'd have to see his gurning, rubberfaced cunty-chops on TV looking smug and withering on that he is "right" when in reality he is not right, he is is just a twat.

scaryteacher · 20/05/2019 20:36

In the Euro elections or a General Election?

People are defecting from the Tory and Labour parties to the Brexit party as they are angry that Brexit hasn't yet happened, and has been blocked by the MPs as it was promised that the referendum result would be honoured.

If the Brexit party sweeps the board at the European election this week, then a very clear message is being sent to the main parties that Brexit should be delivered. For the Tories this should mean that they get nrid of the PM and put a committed Brexiteer in her place. If they do that and pivot to and deliver Brexit without agreeing to the 'deal' the PM had with Brussels, then they might hold on til 2022, or at least next year and begin to rebuild some trust with their supporters.

SabineUndine · 20/05/2019 20:48

Scaryteacher it's not hard to guess how you'll be voting!

If the Brexit party sweeps the board, it would be very surprising as the EU elections are proportional representation. The Brexit Party might look as though it's getting a lot of the vote, but in fact the vote to remain is been split, and a lot of people who want to remain are traditional Labour or Conservative voters who don't want to abandon their party.

MorningRichie · 20/05/2019 20:54

Never has a username been more apt.

It is terrifying that someone with those opinions is allowed to influence children.

Icantreachthepretzels · 20/05/2019 21:20

For the Tories this should mean that they get nrid of the PM and put a committed Brexiteer in her place. If they do that and pivot to and deliver Brexit without agreeing to the 'deal' the PM had with Brussels, then they might hold on til 2022, or at least next year and begin to rebuild some trust with their supporters.

Great plan! and when they don't agree the 'deal' (which isn't the deal it is the housekeeping we need to sign in order to leave) what happens next? No deal - great -and then? In NI? to our imports and exports? Trading on WTO rules ... for how long? are we now working towards a deal or do we want to survive on WTO rules forever (allowing in shoddy and dangerous products through our wide open borders, which we voted to leave so we could control, as well as letting in god knows how many drugs and illegal immigrants)? If we're working towards a deal - what will this deal look like? How will we know it is the true WILL OF THE PEOPLE as laid down forever and all eternity on that sacred and blessed day in 2016 ... and not more treasonous bullshit like the current 'deal'? What if the EU refuses to give us what we want? How long do we put up with either shortages due to blocked ports or wide open borders leading to a flooded market from which Britain won't recover? If every country in the world already has an all access pass to our borders because we're on WTO - how do you plan to get them round the table and start negotiating for them to reduce their access and increase their costs by signing a trade deal?

If Farage 'wins' (meaning he gets the most seats of any party - not necessarily the most seats overall) ... it means we are in a lot of danger of no deal brexit, which will lead to utter chaos (from which we might not recover) and eventual capitulation in signing the withdrawal agreement (Theresa May's deal) because Europe will not start trade talks with us until we have signed up to those three commitments (the Irish border, EU citizens rights and the leaving bill). In the meantime, the U.S will fax over their terms and conditions - and we will sign on the dotted line to let them sell us whatever the hell they want. We will get chlorine chicken, hormone ridden beef and products that include carcinogens that are not clearly labelled as such. Oh yeah - and they'll be able to sue the NHS for not allowing fair competition with their own big pharma companies - and that will be the death knell of our free at the point of care service. It will be insurance - and people being left homeless when they get ill - just like in the good ol' U.S of A. All this, of course, will mean that it is even harder to get a deal with Europe, because now we have flooded our market with crappy and dangerous American products, they will be really strict to make sure we don't infect their nice, safe single market. Which will mean a hard border in Ireland. Which will mean a return to civil war in NI and more bombing here ... at least until the border poll. And - as there is a massive Irish diaspora in America ... congress will not let a trade deal through if we damage the good Friday agreement (which we will do by putting up a hard border) - so even once the (terrible) terms are agreed ... we'll still be back to the W.T.O - being fucked every which way by every country on earth.

If Nigel Farage does not win ... this might not happen, but the amount of fannying around we've had certainly doesn't take it off the table. No matter how people vote on Thursday it will initially be called a vote to get on with brexit - as was the locals where the Lib Dems (big remainers) won massively - but.. TM will probably stay on, they will be wary of replacing her with anyone hard right, and as they waste time down to our (new) exit day ... they might start talking revoke/ 2nd ref to avoid a crash out and the above scenario. Or at least ... if we haven't sent anti-EU MEPs back to the parliament, they might look more favourably on another extension request (in no way guaranteed) BUT without a Farage win on Thursday, if an extension request is denied (perfectly reasonable - we've had 3 years and achieved nothing - what are we going to do with more time?) then parliament might have the balls to revoke if it was a stark choice between crash out/ revoke.

Remember when Farage kept saying the EU was undemocratic and filled with unelected bureaucrats? And now we're holding elections to elect the people we want to represent us in the EU? He's a liar and a shit stirrer and when the shit hits the fan he will be no where to be seen. He will take the dirty millions he made since 2016 and leave the country - leaving us with the chlorinated chicken he has convinced the likes of scaryteacher that they want.

So, for God's sake everybody - get out to the polling station on Thursday and vote against Farage. Remember a vote for Labour and Tory is also a vote for brexit - so moderate leavers who understand why we need a deal, please vote for them. Remainers vote Lib Dem in most of England, Green or Lib Dem in the South West, Plaid in Wales and SNP in Scotland - unless you're an avid better togetherer, in which case vote Lib Dem.

ForalltheSaints · 20/05/2019 21:29

If the Brexit party win the most seats the chance of Boris Johnson becoming PM increases. Which would be worse for Britain than Trump in the US.

Iggly · 20/05/2019 21:33

Having a Brexit MEP would be ironic - they only get to be an elected representative through EU elections. The very institutes that they hate.

If they get a large vote it doesn’t tell us anything new. People want Brexit much as they did last time.

I don’t want Brexit at all. But I see no way out.

So as we have to have a Brexit, i would rather it was the best we could possibly have.

I’ve given up arguing with Leavers. Their logic is illogical, there is no sense to what they’re claiming, it’s all bullshit.

scaryteacher · 21/05/2019 00:47

Sabine I merely paraphrased what I'd read in the DT today from the many and varied articles on the subject. Pardon me for daring to venture an explanation.

I know the Euro elections are PR - each time I go out of the house, and look at the billboards put up in the village, or empty my postbox, I am assailed with the gurning features of Flemish politicians along with their position on the list for whichever party they are standing for.

A lot of traditional Tory voters who want Brexit have abandoned the party in despair and disgust, and unlike after the referendum was announced, I don't think they will be coming back. I expect some Labour voters who also wanted Brexit feel equally let down, and will vote accordingly.

MorningRichie perhaps you'd like to see my comment to Sabine. I kept quiet when my very labour voting colleagues in the staffroom peddled their socialist spiel to the kids, and tried it on me. Amazingly, an awful lot of the Year 10s and 11s could think for themselves and from what they said, they weren't going to be voting Labour when they were old enough. I declined to discuss how I voted, as it wouldn't have been professional to do otherwise.

scaryteacher · 21/05/2019 01:05

Icantreachthepretzels In paraphrasing what I'd read today, where did I mention either chlorinated chicken, or how I had voted (my Mum has a postal proxy for me as I am abroad)?

Incidentally, many of the EU member states, including the one I live in, don't have free at the point of delivery healthcare; it is a mix of state and insurance, or completely private if your employer covers you and yours. I haven't noticed the sky fall in because of this, the Belgian system is fast and efficient; many things like X rays and cardiology assessments take place away from the hospitals in clinics run by specialists, which provide a faster service. Indeed, near me, there is one sponsored by a group of GPs that covers all sorts, including blood tests, cardiology, scans (www.medischcentrumhuisartsen.be/documents/mch.xml?lang=en) Those are turned round in 24 hours...much faster than the NHS does it at home. We could learn from this. The NHS is not a sacred cow.

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 21/05/2019 01:25

Well, given that one of his top aides has been arrested for money laundering in the US, on top of Bannon funding him, I'd say supporting someone that dodgy wasn't necessarily a good thing. And that's without all the other corruption to do with the leave campaigns (and their donors).

And that's without talking about the rather dubious nature of the current finances.

And given that that bus should have read "Vote Brexit to sell off the NHS", frankly if you still think he's a "Man of the people" with your best interests at heart, you're a fucking idiot (assuming you're not a disaster capitalist that is)..,

DippyAvocado · 21/05/2019 01:46

Voting for the Brexit party is a protest vote for pro-Brexit supporters. Farage has a ceiling of support as he's a one-trick pony so is unlikely to garner many new supporters. He's riding the crest of a wave at the moment, but I'd be super-surprised if he got much support for a general election once the European elections are over. Particularly since his party have no manifesto.

The main negative ramifications of the Brexit party doing well on Thursday will be:

  1. The UK is yet again likely to be represented at the European Parliament by waste-of-space no-shows who do nothing to earn their salary or represent their constituents in the body they have been elected to (ironically, most of the people who vote for them will probably be the same people that deride the European Union as undemocratic).
  2. They will do absolutely nothing to restore our reputation in Brussels.
  3. For a couple of days there will be infuriating wall-to-wall coverage of the gurning face of Frog Face as he realises he gets another nice whack of money for doing sweet FA. If we're extra-lucky, we'll get to see Ann Widdecombe alongside him.
IronManisnotDead · 21/05/2019 01:51

@MorningRichie oh fuck off Hmm

Alicewond · 21/05/2019 01:58

Will be voting for the Brexit party as will many pro remain family and friends I know. The conservatives have messed up badly with their in fighting. Labour sound weak and Corbyn isn’t a person anyone would be proud to follow. So yes we turn to the Brexit party as at least someone can perhaps take a hand in the negotiations, being in a position of power. If they get votes then the people voted in may be in a position to help us get a better deal. The PM will be hard pushed to turn them away without public outcry (again)

Tavannach · 21/05/2019 02:01

www.remainvoter.com/ for the most effective anti-Bfexit vote in your region.

Farage and his ilk will see the UK end up as a financial services region of the US. Like a northern Hong Kong. The poor will get poorer, but the rich, and Farage and his mates, will get richer.

Tavannach · 21/05/2019 02:02

anti-Brexit, even.
Time to logout for tonight, I think.

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 21/05/2019 02:20

Alicewonds post is so much bollocks, it's hard to know where to start...

Alicewond · 21/05/2019 02:24

@DorisDaysDadsDogsDead it’s my opinion and isn’t offending anyone personally. Are you saying anyone who disagrees with you doesn’t get an opinion??? Isn’t that anti democracy?

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 21/05/2019 02:46

You can have your own opinions, but you don't get your own facts.

Brexit MEPs will not be able to influence the 'deal' in any way shape or form. To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance.

And suggesting that Remain voters are going to vote for the Faragit is pure bullshit.

But feel free to make a fool of yourself...

tenredthings · 21/05/2019 03:02

À Farage victory means the Brexit contagion will spread to Europe. We are facing environmental extinction and need to work together fast to halt it. Vote green !

Topseyt · 21/05/2019 03:03

Alicewond, what a crock of shit.

Remainers will vote for a party that wishes to remain in the EU, not for a bunch of hypocrites who purport to believe that the EU shouldn't even exist (like the Brexshit Party).

Farage and his ilk are hypocrites.

Tillygetsit · 21/05/2019 03:12

Who in their right minds would vote for a party which refuses to reveal its manifesto until after they're elected? Orwell must be chuckling in his grave.

Myworstnightmare123 · 21/05/2019 04:39

Thanks fr the explanations..... I have always had some sort of mind fuck where politics is concerned for some reason.

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