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To want to know why there is no Remain Party

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Bluegreencoloursflashing · 20/05/2019 10:07

We've got a Brexit Party, why could Remain not get their act together and form a Party for the EU elections?

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juniperjune · 20/05/2019 11:08

RemainVoter is telling me to vote tactically for Change UK but Remain United (that I saw mentioned in the guardian) recommends Lib Dem. This is not helping me to decide!

Crustaceans · 20/05/2019 11:10

It’s not just Green Party on that website though. It recommends Lib dems for Scotland, Wales and NE England. And Change UK for London

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To want to know why there is no Remain Party
drspouse · 20/05/2019 11:12

It looks like Remain United is being more cautious - it says that even with 50% of Remain voters voting tactically in our area, we'll still only get 1 LibDem.
Remainvoter may be hoping that a higher percentage of remain voters vote tactically, maybe?

Clavinova · 20/05/2019 11:12

DGRossetti
I've not used the site, but I'm interested why people seem to think it's the horses mouth? It takes minutes to set up a website.

The guy who set up the website lives in Milan (from linkedin) if that helps? Wink

Alsohuman · 20/05/2019 11:13

Ffs, it hasn’t been set up by the Greens. As for Farage doing it, why would he? He wants everyone to vote Brexit.

Thymeout · 20/05/2019 11:18

Gina Miller's site - Remainunited.org - is reviewing all stats and publishing a final recommendation tomorrow 21/5. At the moment, if you're in England, the LibDems seems to be the safest bet.

Flobochin · 20/05/2019 11:39

Why?

The democratic vote was Leave.

Or do you not believe in democracy?

Alsohuman · 20/05/2019 11:40

Yes, we do, that’s why we’re all voting this week.

drspouse · 20/05/2019 11:57

And that's why we vote again on the same issues (joining the EU, leaving the EU) and to remove our politicians when we don't like them.

Tiscold · 20/05/2019 13:38

@Flobochin. I do believe in democracy and that's why i will be exercising my democratic right to vote in an election sanctioned by the uk government. What's undemocratic about that?

Flobochin · 20/05/2019 16:43

@Tiscold The point of my post:

The result was leave.

Therefore we don't need a remain party.

Unless you don't believe in a democratic vote.

drspouse · 20/05/2019 16:54

So if there's a majority for the Conservatives, we don't need an opposition, just abolish all the other parties?

Tiscold · 20/05/2019 17:11

But we do need a remain party, because people still voted remain.

If conservatives win the general election does that mean we don't need labour party as the cons won? No it doesn't and brexit is the same.

Just because a side won doesn't mean the otherside shouldn't have a voice and a say. Leave won but i want a remain party voicing my opinion on the matter because even if we leave i want to be as close to the eu as posssible which is lib dem policy for example.

Remain still needs representing in politics otherwise the leave side would go unchecked.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 20/05/2019 17:22

Gina Miller's site says vote SNP but remainvoter.com says Lib Dem. I'm in a quandary. Will see what GM's site says later in the week.

Flobochin · 20/05/2019 17:34

A lot of people know little about politics.

I really can't be bothered because people are clearly blinkered.

Alsohuman · 20/05/2019 17:48

Why are we blinkered? The result was ridiculously close. In the last three years thousands of people have attained voting age, thousands are no longer with us. Surely it’s common sense to check as a nation we still want the same thing? Would you be happy if we voted in a government and had to stick with it for all eternity?

Tiscold · 20/05/2019 19:02

Sorry so we know little about politics, pleade enlighten us then...

Tiscold · 21/05/2019 23:40

No? Ok we'll carry on with our democratic right to vote how we want then

Snakelight · 21/05/2019 23:54

Setting aside for a moment the particular arguments for a second referendum, I'll simply quote the leader of the Brexit Party (from before the referendum)

"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."

maddening · 22/05/2019 00:10

It was a fucking marginal win in 2016. It was not a significant majority - 16 million people do not want to leave. It is undemocratic to carry out such a huge and final step on such a slim Majority,. It cannot be undone once it happens, we could not rejoin at a later date to the same position we are leaving (eg own currency and not in shengen), therefore you need more than a slim majority to take us down the rabbit hole as they have done.

Crustaceans · 22/05/2019 09:52

I wish Teresa May had chosen, right at the start of her party leadership, to be truthful about the referendum result. If she (and all the other politicians) had been sensible and just admitted that 48-52 was a marginal victory and, therefore, not a clear decision in the least the whole process and debate could have been handled totally differently. Instead, we’ve had years of pretending that the result was some sort of landslide victory for leave that meant the whole country were desperate for it and anything else would be a betrayal. This lack of honestly about what the result was is what has totally arsed up British politics.

And that’s setting aside the fact that the result told us nothing about the myriad things that people thought it hoped ‘leave’ might actually mean. So pretending that it’s a clear (singular) direction from the public is total bullshit.

DGRossetti · 22/05/2019 10:02

I wish Teresa May had chosen, right at the start of her party leadership, to be truthful about the referendum result. If she (and all the other politicians) had been sensible and just admitted that 48-52 was a marginal victory and, therefore, not a clear decision in the least the whole process and debate could have been handled totally differently.

It's quite astonishing the number of "politicians" we have that - haven't studied politics. Maybe if they had ...

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/losers-consent-brexit/

I like the term losers consent. It articulates why we are in this position now, and why - quite frankly - we are never getting out of it.

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