to think there is no such thing as a male (or female mind)

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see subject as someone on twitter thinks there is

No there isn't. And this was accepted by anyone but sexists. It doesn't fit the transgender rhetoric though so they're trying to push the concept of gendered brains again 🙄

www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/study-finds-some-significant-differences-brains-men-and-women

I also think some of it can be put down to hormones. Honestly I have no idea.

*www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/study-finds-some-significant-differences-brains-men-and-women

I also think some of it can be put down to hormones. Honestly I have no idea. mind is not the same as brain from the context this person believes females think a certain way males think a different way as a rule

The brain is plastic though ( it changes in response to how it's used) so you would expect brains from women and men to have differences because of their different experiences,even if for no other reason.

It might not be inherently male/female but it is shaped by environment.

The whole men are from mars rubbish is just an excuse though.

I agree. There is no Male or female way of thinking.

I think they probably do but my guess is that is down to nurture and not nature.

I honestly have no idea what they mean. The things people talk about being “male” or “female” are on the whole not.

Yes there is a natural difference from birth. There are many peer review papers and books on the subject.

Unfortunately we are too busy pushing the gender neutral rubbish for our own agendas they we are ignoring them.

I think there must be some innate differences, but obviously a very broad spectrum within each sex. If you think of how much PMT or the the perimenopause can affect your behaviour, then it seems obvious and unavoidable to me that the brain is affected by hormonal differences and male testosterone levels will impact the development of the male brain throughout life. Men and women perceive and experience the world through different bodies and this feedback has to shape brain development in particular ways too. So yes, I do think there is such a thing as the male and female brains and that, broadly speaking, we are wired differently, just like any other species.

I always see this on MN “there is no difference between male and female brains”

But I’m sure I’ve read in medical literature that there is. They can see differences on fMRI scans the way information is processed. Medications affect the brain differently (not just due to metabolism but also the way neurotransmitters react to certain drugs). Plus the affect of hormones like oestrogen and testosterone on how our brains function.

I think there is definitely a difference - whether by nature or nurture (or both) I cannot say.
Look at Motherhood - men are generally well able to walk away from their children to go to work, women tend to want to be with the children.

Is that because we have vaginas or because we are wired up differently?
Not worse or inferior - but different from men.

So gender neutral thinking AND gendered brains are both all the trans recognition movement's fault?

SIGH. I know more transpeople than all of you put together and I have NEVER heard them say anything about brains and gender. Just knowing themselves. I'm sure you are all experts on people you've never met, though.

FWIW in regard to the question, there's a distribution that tells you something about populations and little about individuals. Which is why studies need a context.

Ah but MNetters will tell you that’s because you’ve been socialised to think that way! That’s it’s the result of the patriarchy....

Whilst there might be a kernel of truth there I also believe there are genuinely sex differences, especially when it comes to children.

Um. I think there are things that are more typically male ways of thinking, and things that are more typically female ways of thinking. But there's an awful lot of overlap. Like, men are typically taller than women, but that doesn't mean any given man is taller than any given woman. And a huge amount of our thinking probably isn't gendered at all.

men are generally well able to walk away from their children to go to work, women tend to want to be with the children.
I’m pretty sure most women can go to work or indeed do other things beyond look after the baby if needed.

That was to BMW ^^

There's a lot of confusion between
mind / brain
gender / sex
feelings / biology

Some of these are related to science and fact, some of these are opinion.

I’m pretty sure most women can go to work or indeed do other things beyond look after the baby if needed.

Of course - that's why I used the words generally and tend!
Why is the maternal instinct so strong USUALLY? Why is the Paternal instinct so weak by comparison USUALLY? These threads (particularly on Relationships) are stuffed full of threads where the father has fucked off and pays little or zero maintenance for his children. Do just as many mothers do the same?? Is it 50/50??

Read Cordelia Fine’s excellent Delusions of Gender.

Can recommend "The Gendered Brain" by Gina Rippon, all about this very topic. Basically how the belief that female and male brains are different came about and what current science actually shows. I heard her speak recently and it was very interesting.

@BMW6 probably because babiesare so dependent on their mothers to survive. If you have the boobs you have to do the feeding.

i think they are different.

Sorry I read brain not mind, I know they are different.

David Reimer was born a boy and forced to live as a girl. It sounds like he did have a different mind and he knew something was wrong when he was living as a girl even though it started in infancy.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/opinion/remembering-reimer-how-one-mans-tragic-suicide-proved-that-boys-shouldnt-be