To think the judge who sentenced Ted Bundy said these words to him??

[ElektraLOL]

'You're a bright young man. You would have made a good lawyer and I would have loved to have you practice in front of me, but you went another way, partner. Take care of yourself. I don't feel any animosity toward you.'

I watched the documentary about his horrific crimes.

WTF was the judge doing talking to him like it's a shame he broke into someone's house? I'll bet the families of all those women (and child!) he murdered felt animosity towards him!

No, not misrepresentation at all. And I know what the full quotation was, having watched this.

My point is that it's disrespectful to the victims of Bundy, of which there were many including a child to focus at all on what Bundy could have become, on what Bundy had done to waste his life, when all those women were killed so horribly, had their lives and potential stolen from them. And some of them were even denied a burial because he didn't admit to what he had done! And he chose to do those things.

I generally don't believe that anyone is born evil. But psychopaths with Bundy's perversions are extremely dangerous and he was incapable of feeling empathy or guilt or even that what he did was wrong. In 10 years on death row, he didn't change at all. Even the Manson killers had remorse in the end.

'We have first hand accounts of Bundy being generous and caring '

Psychopaths can appear to be generous and caring but there will always be an ulterior motive for their actions which is getting something for themselves.

I took it that he was talking to Ted Bundys ego when he said it. You have wasted your life. You had opportunities
But the judge had clocked on that he was a psychopath when he tried to run his own chaotic trial

@julensaor

I agree he was very manic and it’s like no one noticed. Whenever he spoke it was creepy and had a very strange tone and it was all just ‘off’

I was living in Florida at the time he was executed. The media at that time was the most bizarre I've ever experienced; it seemed no one could believe a man like that could have such a dark side. I think looking back now we can see it much clearer than they could then, when it had never really been seen out in the open before. Middle class American society at that time of the murders and the trial was of such progression and respectability, everything was rosy, no one could really comprehend that the layer of 'perfection' was so thin. It was a big shock to them.

Psychopaths can appear to be generous and caring but there will always be an ulterior motive for their actions which is getting something for themselves

That’s not strictly true and over simplifies how people with psychopathy tendencies behave

Many have been able to have relationships with their family, pets and their children that has shown them to have capacity to love and care. It’s believed that this is becuase they identify with them

They may also be cruel to those they have a connection with and struggle to understand that persons feelings but that doesn’t mean they have feelings of love or caring towards them

He was definitely had some sort of mental disorder - psychopath, sociopath, narcissistic etc

There is a book by Ann Rule called ‘The Stranger Beside Me’. Sh worked alongside Bundy for a while and remained ‘friends’ with him for many years. She seems to have been taken in by his charm although, eventually, she was instrumental in his arrest and conviction. It was a powerful read and is available on Kindle.

I watched Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile last night.

The guy was an absolute Sociopath, the judges attitude to him was odd.

The judge appeared dazzled and impressed by Bundy. Am I surprised? Not really.

I took the words as the judge saying it was a shame how he was clearly a very intelligent man who chose to use that for the wrong purposes and had wasted his life.

@Sagradafamiliar

See didn’t the judge get really cross with him a lot for messing about? I think the judge often berated and knew that he was losing control, hence showing the jury he was actually quite mad (Bundy did not do well at all under pressure and the veneer was very thin)
Judge IMO let Bundy dig his own grave

Yeah I think Bundy believed his own hype. Most psychopaths think their view of the world is the correct one and that people with natural emotions and responses are beneath contempt.

teenage girls aren't adults in responsible positions. They are allowed a moment of madness.

Thanks so much for pointing out that fascinating nugget of information, I obviously was not aware of that

PookieDo If that is true about the Judge in the trial that makes his statement of you would have made a good lawyer even more nonsensical and the only purpose it served was to play to Bundy's heightened opinion of himself. Plus why tell someone you've just sentenced to death to take care of themselves?

I think that part of the Judge's statement is insulting to the victims and their families, the waste of humanity was their lives not Ted Bundy's.

Judge Cowart did drop dead, though, in his back garden.

Just saying.

The judge may have not believed Bundy himself was evil but his actions were

^
Let's hope the judge was not THAT thick and realised if he did indeed feel like that, he had been truly hoodwinked by Bundy.

Yeah, foxfox, get with it

I watched the one with Zack Efron last night too. The title is really, really poor.

But anyway, at the end of the film it states that he admitted to killing 30 women. Maybe more.

30 women!

The whole parade with Bundy seems more about the man than the crime. 30 women!

More misogyny of course.

@julensaor I 100% agree I found him almost impossible to listen to but I think that’s because he reminded me so much of my narcissistic father (not a serial killer). I think when your bullshit detector is honed the ‘charismatic man’ that people around him saw just looks like an unbearable egotist that you couldn’t even bear to have a conversation with.

You can see it in the men who were writing the book and with his own defence team, they were just sick to death listening to him and his ego after having to spend so much time with him. But he was able to fool people he saw on a Sunday or in giving interviews, he could keep the charm turned on long enough. Especially for people who maybe haven’t encountered someone like that before in their own personal life.

I hate that this film has been made with Zac efron the thought repulses me ive seen comments about how good it is how Zac effron is scary but sexy FFS how on earth this is entertainment is beyond me!

Did I say I condoned what Bundy did? Did I say that I didn't hate him? Did I say that I had wet dreams about him? NO I FLIPPING DIDN'T!

I was just suggesting what the judge might have been thinking when he said those things. He saw a young man in front of him, who could have had it all, a good career, a wife, kids, four bedroomed house and all that jazz, but had thrown it all away. And nobody would do those things if they weren't completely cracked. May be the judge, while having sympathy towards the women whose lives were wasted, felt pity that Bundy had also wasted his own life in the process. (These are not, I repeat not, my thoughts).

I think as a judge, hanging on to anger and animosity towards the ppl you sentence doesn't help in the long run. It's probs best to just remain impartial.

Little Meadow out. And I mean out of mumsnet. I've met rabid dogs that are less quick to go for the throat.

Oh no the patriarchy
White men are Teflon in sex crimes

The judge gave him the death penalty!

Bundy was charming, even his victims said so....

Be careful, that's what I tried to say and I got my head ripped off for even suggesting it.

It is indeed best to remain impartial as a Judge and if this Judge had remained that way he wouldn't have added the statement he did after the words:

and such current of electricity shall continue to pass through your body until you are dead.

There was no need to add anything more than that and certainly no need to express any sort of sympathy or admiration for Bundy.