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jinglet · 30/04/2019 13:42

Please bear with me- this is long (don’t want to drip feed) and I’m annoyed :/

I bought a beautiful rug for our living room which cost me in excess of £1K. It arrived and I very quickly realised I’d made a mistake ordering it in the size I had- it was too big for the area I had in mind. I got DH to roll it up straight away and thought I’d return it for a full refund. Unfortunately, life took over and with a demanding baby, I lost track of time and missed the return deadline. To make some money back on it, I listed it on eBay. It sold for £300- not great but I didn’t mind as I’d recouped a bit of money at least. Before bidding, the buyer contacted me several times almost begging me to accept £200 for the rug. I politely declined. She then sent more messages telling me she was willing to buy a few more of my (cheaper) items but only if I took £200 for the rug. I ignored these messages. She eventually paid £300 via PayPal and shared her telephone number so she could arrange collection. I shared pictures of the rug and said this is what the rug's like- brand new and unmarked. She said she couldn’t wait to receive it. When the courier arrived to collect the rug, I realised it was someone we’d used many times to move stuff for us in the past. I handed over the rug and asked him to show the buyer the rug and only if she was happy to leave it with her. He did that and said she almost snatched it out of his hands to take it. So imagine my surprise when a week later, I get a message from PayPal to say the buyer had opened a dispute against me to say the item wasn’t as described- it was apparently smelly and had mud stains on it. She also claimed the seller (me) had been unresponsive and appeared not to care about the (alleged) state of the rug- she hadn’t contacted me at all since I’d shared the pictures of the rug with her via text.

When I contacted PayPal and challenged what she’d said, they asked her for more information (photos of the rug)- she had 10 days to submit this but didn’t;

PayPal then decided she could return the rug for a full refund within 10 days- she contacted them on the 9th day and told them that she was not willing to pay return postage and I should cover the cost. When I declined. PayPal offered her a further 10 days to return the rug. She’s just replied on the 9th day again to say she’s willing to keep the rug but wants a partial refund of £100 to have the rug cleaned.

So she was happy to accept a rug a sent for a fraction of the price I’d paid for it and accepted knowing it was immaculate. She’s then opened a false claim against me and wants the rug for £100 less and the amount she’d originally offered to me. It’s clear she’s being a CF. I’ve contacted eBay and they said they can see what’s happening but can’t intervene as she’s opened a dispute via PayPal and not them. They’ve also put a ‘note on her account’- I’m assuming because this is not the first time she’s done it? Anyway, where do I stand? PayPal keep pandering to her, knowing she has no intention of returning the rug and wanting money off instead. If I receive the rug back, I can’t even sell it on as immaculate anymore as she’ll have used it/damaged it deliberately before returning it back to me. What are my rights as a seller? I’ve sold hundreds of things on eBay using PayPal and have never had anyone contact me or make a claim against me. I’ve got screenshots of our text message conversation as well as the eBay messages. The courier has also offered to provide a statement saying the rug was in pristine condition and she accepted it when he opened it up and showed it to her. But PayPal have said, they don’t accept photographic evidence or statements from third parties. I’ve since been on her eBay profile and she’s selling crap and is insisting collection in person and has stated no PayPal payment- I will refund if you pay using PayPal. Strictly cash on collection. So she’s happy to make use of PayPal buyer protection but doesn’t want to offer her buyers the same. AIBU to disclose her eBay ID so others can avoid this scamming cow?! I know I’m being petty but I’m so angry right now.

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Medee · 30/04/2019 13:46

Never accept Paypal for collection items. Too easy for this kind of dispute to arise.

Beachbodynowayready · 30/04/2019 13:49

You can leave negative feedback for buyers I think...
Can you send proof of you buying it new to start with?

notatwork · 30/04/2019 13:51

For larger items I've always done cash on collection to avoid this exact scenario.
So sorry OP, no advice I can give: the buyer is stealing from you via a loophole in paypal rules.

keepingbees · 30/04/2019 14:04

Surely you don't have to accept giving a partial refund? You should stick to your guns and say full refund on receipt of the rug in the condition you sold it. That would be the rule if they were returning it to a shop. eBay/PayPal are so full of distance selling rules that really only work for business sellers, so that should apply for you too.
You can block her from bidding on your items again. I agree it's really unfair and it totally puts me off selling online.
Maybe posting this on the legal board on here might help?

AdobeWanKenobi · 30/04/2019 14:07

You can leave negative feedback for buyers I think...

Not sure if that was a typo as you certainly can't leave negative feedback for buyers.
Hold your nerve, she will have to return it tracked and it will cost her. I suspect once she realises this she will probably go away.

Oh and as has been said, never take Paypal on collection. You are incredibly lucky she's not claiming she didn't receive it altogether.

Gamble66 · 30/04/2019 14:11

Tell her she either returns in original condition or you will take her to small claims. You have enough evidance for an easy win x

Tinyteatime · 30/04/2019 14:12

No advice to offer but what a CF! I’m always worried I’ll encounter someone like this on eBay. So far I’ve been lucky not too but it really puts me off using it.

outvoid · 30/04/2019 14:18

She clearly wanted the damn thing for £200. She still wants it but wants you to refund her the £100 so she paid the original amount she wanted to. She’s a total CF. You do not have to partially refund whatsoever, eBay will never make you do that and she has to pay return postage whether she likes it or not too.

I’d honestly just ignore the PayPal case, I’m sure they will close it eventually when they realise she isn’t going to bloody return it.

Drogosnextwife · 30/04/2019 14:19

I'm sorry I just can't get past the fact you didn't bother returning a rug worth over a grand because "life got in the way".

JaneEyre07 · 30/04/2019 14:24

We had the same OP, sent out an expensive bath riser chair system that was late FILs and had listed as collection only due to weight and value. Buyer was from over 300 miles away, which I didn't see until after and insisted on using a courier meaning we had to faff about parcelling it up. It was then "damaged on delivery" beyond use, and PayPal refunded the buyer in full. They were supposed to return it, but never did and it's too bloody far to go and get it, though DH was desperate to at the time.

I've not used Ebay since, and never will again. It's full of scammers who are believed over sellers.

Bestfootforward1 · 30/04/2019 14:32

"Surely you don't have to accept giving a partial refund? You should stick to your guns and say full refund on receipt of the rug in the condition you sold it".
This^
She has to pay return postage to get a refund. You do not have to accept a partial refund. You might win this one if you just keep offering a full refund on receipt of the item.

TeacupDrama · 30/04/2019 14:44

just say you want the original rug back and NEVER EVER EVER take paypal for collection items , if they pay paypal refund it and say cash on collection only

CallMeRachel · 30/04/2019 14:53

It sounds like she knows the ins and outs of PayPal and eBay like the back of her hand.

She had no right to arrange a courier to collect it when it was collection only item. Cash is safest, PayPal will probably refund her.

Don't agree to anything. She either accepts the rug and the price she paid or she returns it at her cost. (She won't)

Personally I'd take her to small claims court to have it out with her. She won't have a leg to stand on. It only costs £60 to raise a claim and she will have to pay full costs on top if found in your favour.

If that fails, get a few guys to pay her home a visit. Cheeky thieving little skank she is.

SnowyAlpsandPeaks · 30/04/2019 14:58

I wish I could pay for a 1k rug then 🤷🏻‍♀️ Sell for £300 because life got in the way. I would have been sending it the next bloody day! How the other half life!

M4J4 · 30/04/2019 15:13

There's always one like @SnowyAlpsandPeak Hmm

It's called perspective, Snowy. And empathy.

kazillionaire · 30/04/2019 15:49

To be honest you are lucky she isn't claiming INR as she used her own courier and you have no proof you sent it at all, she is a CF but she will end up with the £100 off it as paypal will end up giving it to her and just bill you for it - that is why ebay is full of businesses now as loads of people have been ripped off

jinglet · 03/05/2019 22:49

Thanks for your input. I will never accept PayPal for large purchases again. @kazillionaire- I hadn't even thought about the INR issue. Bloody hell. Cash on collection only from now on.

Also, got an email earlier saying PayPal had decided in my favour. Rang them up and they're having a look at her account and withdrawing her buying privileges related to PayPal as this isn't the first time something like this has happened. Bloody cow. I googled her address and her she lives in a house worth £670000. Why she'd want to save a bob or two makes no sense at all. She's just a scum bag.

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