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To think you don't need permission from the other parent on your contact time

16 replies

JustADogPerson · 30/04/2019 08:57

Just that really.

Examples of things I'm thinking are taking them out for the day or asking a trusted person to watch them for a short time if you need to nip out?

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CheeseIsEverything · 30/04/2019 09:31

I'll assume for the sake of ease that we're talking about two involved parents.

In that case, no I wouldn't!

Beachbodynowayready · 30/04/2019 09:32

In your own time childcare and activities are your own choice..

Grumpos · 30/04/2019 09:33

No you don’t need permission for anything, if you were doing something like taking them away for a few days (not outside the country) you may want to tell other parent out of courtesy but otherwise no?
Put it this way, does the RP tell the NRP when they take them to a certain activity or let them stay over grannies etc.
Unless there are specific terms in the contact order then no permission is needed.

Shinyletsbebadguys · 30/04/2019 09:35

Taking them out for the day ...no of course not.

The trusted person if I'm honest I wpuld say it depends. My Exdh has several members of his family that caused issues for us when we were married. When we first split we agreed the other would need to know if someone else was asked to watch them.

Exdh in all fairness fully admitted he had issues and couldn't see the toxic family members and happily asked me to veto if I needed to (which I did a couple of times before we established I'm going rules about who was ok)

However in fairness his family is entirely nuts and in general i wpuld say its up to the parent who has contact time.

GhostHoward · 30/04/2019 09:43

In broad terms I completely that during contact time, so long as they're not taking them out the country, it should be up to the parent who has the children (I say that as the resident parent, who trusts my stbxh). He usually lets me know whats going on with pictures as they go, because luckily we have a good relationship, still.

However, the "leaving with a trusted adult" is ambiguous. I'd want to know anyone who my children are left with. If my ex wanted to leave the children with a new partner then I'd expect to at least have exchanged a "hello" with her, and ideally, have the idea run by me, as there is a time period where I think it's "too soon" to introduce a partner. That being said, if they were in a committed relationship then I'd trust my ex to choose a partner who would look after them well.

So yes...they should be able to choose what they do with them....but sometimes the with should be carefully considered and discussed.

JustADogPerson · 30/04/2019 10:05

The trusted adult is my spouse and has been for a number of years.

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CheeseIsEverything · 30/04/2019 10:07

Well so long as there is no reason at to why they'd have concerns over your spouse watching them for a short time it would be doubly no from me.

Beachbodynowayready · 30/04/2019 10:24

My exh refused to drop my dc off when new dh was in alone. Judge told him to grow the fuck up basically...

Ellisandra · 30/04/2019 10:33

Well, sounds like there is a backstory and replies could be wasted without it.

No, it’s not normal to check things with the other parent.

But as a divorced parent I was pretty fucking raging when I say my then 5yo on a mutual friend’s Facebook photo in a speedboat without a life jacket. I would like to have been asked permission “lovely, sounds fun - but with life jacket, yes?” for that Hmm

Devil is in the detail.

On going out for the day... if my XH couldn’t cover his contact time, I preferred that I was default cover, no-one else. Simply because when you’re divorced, you lose time with your child so it’s great to get it back. My XH felt the same. No issue with new partners or trust - we just wanted to be default.

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad · 30/04/2019 10:34

No, you certainly don't need permission for everyday things, including childcare. Both parents are equal. Each must trust the other to actnjn the interests of the kids unless there are demonstrable risks to suggest otherwise.

BertieBotts · 30/04/2019 10:41

Officially no, it's completely up to the other parent, even if they are a massive arse with no sense of appropriacy. In practice it is very difficult to let go sometimes. I'd try to work towards a mutually respectful solution if at all possible.

It's impractical for the RP to insist the child/ren are not left alone with their step-parent but it could be a sore point if the RP was unhappy about the break up or if the new spouse was someone the NRP had an affair with. The RP would still be in the wrong to object, but since its an NRP posting you can't do much about that.

JustADogPerson · 30/04/2019 10:47

There's no back story. Ex has met new spouse before and has no problem with them personally. The only reason I'm ever given is that we are the parents not them.

It's impractical for us given distance to take them back to the other parent on the odd occasion I need to nip out which is rare and only happened a handful of times if that.

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Beachbodynowayready · 30/04/2019 10:49

He is an arse. Would he prefer your dc was left out because they aren't his dc??
Wanting to spend time with your dc alone is a biggie. He should be glad it's happening!

GottenGottenGotten · 30/04/2019 10:52

Utterly ridiculous. If they require you to ask 'permission', then tell them you want the same courtesy back, and if the children are with shrine other than the parent, you need to be asked.

GottenGottenGotten · 30/04/2019 10:53

Anyone other. Not shrine. Damn you new phone!

RussianSpamBot · 30/04/2019 11:46

If it's your contact time it's your choice and no permission needed. The other parent can apply to the court for an order if they have welfare concerns, and see if it's granted. This is also true vice versa.

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