Penalty points

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Drivers using their smartphones to pay at McDonald's or KFC drive-thrus could be fined £200 and given six penalty points under new laws

AIBU TO THINK THIS IS UNFAIR, it's private land??

My phone has mind of it own

As long as they stop their engine and take the keys out they should be fine surely?

My phone has mind of it own

It doesn't really force you to do anything with it.

Just stop the engine, pay for your food. All good.

Greater Manchester Police Traffic replied: "If your engine is off and your handbrake applied and you're parked yes. If your engine is on no."

Not a problem then, just turn off the engine and apply your handbrake.

I don't see a problem. As others have said just turn your engine off when paying.

Or you could always pay with a card or cash instead.

No-one forces you to only use your phone to pay. What would you do if the battery went dead, or your phone was lost or stolen?

Why is this being discussed now, the law has been in force for ages?

AIBU TO THINK THIS IS UNFAIR, it's private land??

YABU. It is a public place as the public have access to it, and as such the Road Traffic Act applies.

I googled it, it's been reported in the DM and DE yesterday or today.

Ludicrous. Apple Pay is the same as contactless on a card. You have to rummage around for a card in the same way you do a phone and it’s the exact same motion tapping it against the card machine. Nobody turns off their engine when they’re going through a drive thru.

I’d actually argue it’s more dangerous to rummage around for cash and accept change than it is tapping your phone against a card machine.

Nobody turns off their engine when they’re going through a drive thru

That's not true.

I googled it, it's been reported in the DM and DE yesterday or today.

Wow. Two publications for whom accuracy, proportion and balance are watchwords.

Are there any cases of anyone being prosecuted or police actively enforcing this or is it one of those cases where the law hasn't kept up with technology and someone could be prosecuted but almost certainly won't be.

If you feel thr miniscule risk of getting your collar felt for buying sgit food in a drive thru with Android or Apple pay is too great, then do as others advise, engime off/hand brake on and move on with your life.

@Kennehora Mon 29-Apr-19 11:32:30
Only last week I ran over an elderly gentleman in a car park. He just sprang back up and reattached his leg as we were on PRIVATE LAND.

How many people have you seen run over in a drive through? People don't walk there, its not a pedestrianised area.

Doesn't turning engines on and off increase emissions?

Doesn't turning engines on and off increase emissions

No, that's why most modern cars have a stop start.

How many people have you seen run over in a drive through? People don't walk there, its not a pedestrianised area

That's as maybe, but the legal position is that it is a public area and the Road Traffic Act applies. So to take the example of a drunk careering around a supermarket carpark at speeding abnd without a licence and insurance is subject to the law.

A car park is completely different to a drive through. In a drive through you are corralled into an enclosed (kerbs etc) route that you can only drive single file in.

With all the cuts and pressure the police are under I'd think and expect that they had better things to concern themselves with.

A car park is completely different to a drive through. In a drive through you are corralled into an enclosed (kerbs etc) route that you can only drive single file in.

Alright, a drunk uninsured driver ploughs into the back of you whem you're in the drive thru queue if you really want to split hairs.

Anyway doesn't matter what you or i think, that's what the 1988 RTA says. Both are public places.

With all the cuts and pressure the police are under I'd think and expect that they had better things to concern themselves with.

They have and do. There's been penalties for driving when using a mobile and google and apple pay have been a thing for at least five. Have you heard of anyone getting a fine or points for using them to pay for a McSlurry? Id guess it is a grand total of a big fat zero.

This falls under the category of a technicality.

Alright, a drunk uninsured driver ploughs into the back of you whem you're in the drive thru queue if you really want to split hairs.

That could happen regardless of whether they are paying with a phone or a card.

Using a phone to pay would make absolutely no difference in that scenario.

www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1022453/phone-driving-law-police-bus-fine-penalty-points

This is really the best use of their time, isn't it, when people are getting stabbed and shot, left, right and centre.

when people are getting stabbed and shot, left, right and centre.

Blimey...6 wounds in all....the poor sods had no chance of surviving that.