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to want to start my own school?

55 replies

lambiee · 22/04/2019 17:12

Would you ever send your child to school like this??

After being at my wits end with schooling (both primary and secondary, through my life; my life as a teacher and my children’s!) I am genuinely considering opening my own (probably boarding) school.

My idea is kids from years 3-9 where they stay in small, consistent classes of about 6-10 kids and have the same teachers throughout and one classroom which will always be ‘theirs’.

They can feel at home in the school and there is a democracy (not a teacher led dictatorship) within the class.

Lots of extracurricular subjects but without that awful competitiveness that seems to ruin activities you usually get in schools.

They’re allowed relative freedom when they have free time and technology is used only when it’s the best option for learning.

Is it wrong to just dream of a school that allowed kids to be kids without a constant barrage of exams; lots of silent work and never-ending pressure to be the best?

There’s a reason Britain’s schoolchildren are some of the unhappiest in the world and I really think this is it.

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BarbarianMum · 22/04/2019 18:42

Sounds bloody awful tbh. Suffocating. Imagine being labelled the "arty/quiet/moody/naughty/responsible/whatever" one at a young age and never being able to escape that.

Jayblue · 22/04/2019 18:43

In some subjects (e.g. science) we teach a spiral curriculum, so although I suppose students could choose whether to do biology/chemistry/physics first, the topic order is really best determined by the teacher in my opinion. Again, classroom organization is best done by the teacher for safety. I think there is some space for giving children some controlled choice and certainly for making the lessons feel meaningful and relevant to them- but I'm not sure you can have a "democracy" in all subjects. It might work better in, say history or English, I guess?

I also grew up relatively rurally, where a lot of children go to very small primary schools. Unfortunately, when class sizes are

Takethebuscuitandthesink · 22/04/2019 18:48

Years 3-9 would be the real issue for me as you expect parents to move their small kids out of a primary school they are settled and have a group of friends at to this other school. And also in year 9 you would just have them find another secondary school. Also with the minuscule class size it would be hard for kids to find a group of friends especially if their interests are unusual and cliques may become even more of an issue. As well as this the whole “class democracy” thing while in theory sounds lovely I fear the behaviour would be so bad in conditions like that the teacher would have no control and it would be utter chaos with any concept of it being about learning going well out the window.

HateIsNotGood · 22/04/2019 18:52

It sounds a great idea lambiee and would suit some dc really well - but on the practical side - it's just a minefield, so for your own sanity don't do it; unless you already have serious money, and maybe a country house?

My DS would have loved your school and I appreciate that you are a teacher that feels this is a good way educate the dc that would gain from it.

teelldeearr · 22/04/2019 18:52

The no technology thing and class teachers staying with the class as they move through the school years sounds a bit like a Steiner school, OP

HateIsNotGood · 22/04/2019 18:54

meant to educate

HBStowe · 22/04/2019 18:55

Bits of it sound lovely! But I would baulk at them having the same teacher throughout as it would limit their exposure to different teaching styles and perspectives, and I think kids really benefit from that. Plus if they didn’t get on with a teacher they would really be stuck with them. I also think 6 per class is too small, would make it tricky for all to form solid friendships.

Out of interest, why would you want it to be a boarding school? Not many schools would take boarders that young, and I doubt many parents would like it either.

IceRebel · 22/04/2019 18:57

In the school I went to the classes ranged from 4-12 (when 2 years were put together) and it really was amazing, everyone got included

I'm sure there will be those who went to your school who remember things differently. Who have memories of being isolated, overshadowed by their peers, had no best friend and were often left out when the teacher asked for group and paired work. Such small groups are rarely amazing, and there's always some who get excluded or overlooked.

FartAtTheMaddingCrowd · 22/04/2019 19:07

Um for those being rude about Summerhill have you ever actually visited or tried to find out what it is doing these days.

If you want democracy you have to mean it though and it has to apply to everyone, children and adults alike.

OP have a look at this link www.summerhillschool.co.uk/

lambiee · 22/04/2019 19:11

IceRebel - To be honest I was in a class of 9, it had 7 boys and 2 girls - myself and the other girl were obviously the ones more pushed out. I hated it at the beginning when I joined in year 9 and only spoke to older kids, but by mid year 10 the other girl in my class and I were the best of friends (and still are now) despite the two of us having really different personalities and clashing at first. I really feel in small groups everyone just needs to understand one and other and get used to one another.

HBStowe - boarding, particularly weekly boarding, just seems to work well for parents who have work commitments.

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afterashowerr · 22/04/2019 19:14

Sounds lovely op, I'm an early years teacher and I'll come and work with you. It's all about nurturing. I have experience of teaching in Finland where the teacher stays with the children for 6 years it saves so much time ( first half term every year ) of the teacher getting to know their class.

lambiee · 22/04/2019 19:14

FartAtTheMaddingCrowd - Summerhill seems lovely! My idea is quite similar, except more structure.

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lambiee · 22/04/2019 19:15

afterashowerr - thank you! I know it's not for everyone, but I think for many children it could be a good option. Finland is definitely one of the countries I have read about that seem ideal

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AnotherNewt · 22/04/2019 19:49

I wouldn't, because the class sizes are too small. I think between 16-24 is best (add TAs for younger age groups)

It wouldn't be remotely attractive as a state school option, unless you are opening up in a middle school area.

It's also not clear when/how you will introduce specialist subject teaching - something that really cannot be done without for a 13+ transfer (especially if you want to keep pupils for year 9, the start which is the latest traditional transfer point to a different senior - one year to settle in then 2 years full-on GCSE course)

If any of the likely 13/14+ destination schools of your pupil base are private schools which pre-test at 11+, then you will need to do exam prep for important tests in yr6. Ditto for parents who just want their DC to move on at that point (if they have an all-girls school in mind and they want their DD to join from the start, not a couple of years after friendship groups have formed).

How many classes per year group do you envisage? You need enough to be able to have good sport (even if not madly competitive, you need to have enough for some teams) and it also makes a difference to drama and music (though they are less closely arranged by age that sport)

I think you have, btw, just described Dunhurst. Though much smaller and without a closely linked senior school.

Yabbers · 22/04/2019 19:49

Sounds awful.

Competition is vital for children. Frankly there isn’t enough of it in schools nowadays.

trinity0097 · 22/04/2019 19:51

Most people suitable to teach year 3 are totally not equipped to teach a subject to a specialist level by Year 9.

No other teachers in my Prep School can teach Maths to the level I can, but are quite capable of teaching Year 5/6 and below.

Romax · 22/04/2019 20:00

* I really feel in small groups everyone just needs to understand one and other and get used to one another.*

OP, did you really just write that? We are talking about children here. Young ones at that.

User10fuckingmillion · 22/04/2019 20:12

The thing you said about boarding schools working well for parents with work commitments is a little disconcerting OP. Surely it should be about what’s best for the child?

Parly · 22/04/2019 20:38

The idea is there and in theory yes kids, schools and teaching would be focused more on letting children develop individually and nurture more their social, behavioural development and well-being before it starts putting on too much pressure for formal classroom based studies.

Trouble is if you had all that – the ideal place, people and perfect sort of environment you'd still have to operate within legislation, specific regulations and be subject to the same checks, inspections and inevitably be weighed down by them too.

Allowing a small school of kids freedom to be kids and learn through play would in theory be great but at some point you'd have a child whose needs and overall level of ability differs and might mean they're above the normal level of development and not only ready but now need to concentrate more on studies (very able, gifted / talented or otherwise academic kids) and then you'd have to find a way of ensuring they get that and aren't overlooked, under-stimulated and allowed to let lack of mental stimulation and needs suffer.

You'd have an unending pain in the arse from parents who are perhaps the biggest, most challenging thing for teachers and schools some of whom will disagree with how you do things, want their child to do this, that or the other regardless of whether it's practical, logical and in their best interests and you'd have to start opening up the school to other children in the area and fall in line with existing policy and regulations and it would be such an utter arse-ache.

My daughter attended a huge comprehensive run by an arrogant dick-wad I'm amazed was able to run it almost into the ground. When he'd all but ruined it, he pissed off and I believe was actually given another leadership role in a school or college.

She was bright and a sociable, popular girl that could hold her own and cope with the incredibly rigid, complex routines and regimes and left school with decent GCSE's but her teachers hadn't a clue about her strengths, interests, hobbies or know her at all. Didn't matter so much for her because she could cope, hold her own and managed all her studies without issue but my son was a totally different kettle of fish.

He has Asperger's, was bullied mercilessly throughout nursery, primary school and would have been absolutely crucified had we sent him to the same school so after much upset and with a heavy heart we home-schooled him for five years.

He took his GCSE's in college, got the highest grade from all students and is now the poster boy having attained A* across the board, been accepted onto study a course entirely on merit after tutors viewed work he'd done from home in his own time whilst home-schooled and he has received two full distinctions across the board and is thriving.

Both had entirely different needs, abilities and neither was given full credit nor consideration and could easily have become victims of the education system.

Would not have done anything differently and still maintain keeping him out of school was the right thing to do and he would have suffered so much had we placed him at the same school our daughter was already being completely overlooked and ignored.

It's so difficult to balance and meet the needs of such a wide range of children within one school.

I used to run care homes and did everything in the best interests of the people living there who were reliant on 24hr care. It was difficult at times having a skip load of regulations, different inspections from different teams all wanting something different from the next and each person's needs being entirely their own – plus relatives and others who would always find fault and have an argument over something.

Trying to maintain that baseline level and keep your approach and working practice as close to where you set out is very, very difficult.

With kids and schools it'd be an absolute minefield and one of the reasons friends that are teachers have passed up the offer of promotion to run departments or schools more than once.

So yeah the idea is a nice one but in theory an almost impossible one.

MrsKrabbapple · 22/04/2019 20:45

No, I like big schools where my children can meet all sorts of different people and benefit from the interests knowledge and experience of lots of adults.

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 22/04/2019 20:48

That must be pretty unusual finding your BFF as one of only two girls in a year? Was she the only girl before you got there?

I honestly don't think the setup you describe would have worked for me. We had no problem moving between rooms, and once had the same form tutor for 3 years which was enough of a disaster!

IceRebel · 22/04/2019 21:00

I really feel in small groups everyone just needs to understand one and other and get used to one another.

It doesn't matter how much you try to understand those in your class, sometimes children; just like adults, don't get on.

If you're 7 and no one wants to play with you, be your class partner or talk to you, then school is shit. Magnify that by 7, which is how many years you're anticipating a child sharing a classroom, teacher and all their learning with those children, then life is 7 times as shit. Not to mention not being able to go home at the end of the day as you board, it sounds like a recipe for depression and a severely unhappy child.

Whilst it's lovely that you became best friends with the only other girl in your class, I'm sure most people would have struggled in such circumstances. I know my school life was infinitely improved by having a broad circle of friends, it certainly helped when there were the inevitable fall outs and friendship dramas.

TheBossOfMe · 22/04/2019 21:10

Summerhill is very far from lovely.

Dahlietta · 22/04/2019 21:14

I have experience of teaching in Finland where the teacher stays with the children for 6 years

This fills me with horror. Fine if DS had his Year 2 teacher for 6 years, but 6 years of his Year 1 teacher? No thanks.

LellyMcKelly · 22/04/2019 21:25

I think for some pupils it could work well, particularly those who like stability, routine, and a quieter environment in which to work. It is very insular, however, and I would be concerned about one teacher being able to teach the whole curriculum to GCSE and beyond. I’d also be concerned about the environment being so far removed from ‘real’ life, and about your school equipping them socially for university or work.