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To get a German shepherd for safety?

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Claeiai · 18/04/2019 14:37

I'm currently converting a van into a portable home with a shower, bed, kitchen and toilet and am planning on travelling around lots of the world for about a year in a couple of years time. I want to do a lot of hiking and being out in nature generally.

As a single, female traveller in my 20s, I am concerned that I am quite vulnerable to attack both when out and about alone in nature and also when parked overnight at campsites or in the wild.

I have come up with the idea of adopting a German shepherd or another breed (open to suggestions) both as a companion, but one which looks 'fierce' enough to intimidate men from trying to attack me. I love dogs and grew up with one and would be adopting this dog to care for it it's whole life. After I return, I will work from home and so will still be able to give the dog the care it needs for the rest of its life.

I've thought that this way, I can adopt a dog that needs rescuing from a shelter and would also feel much safer when travelling. I would put a lot of work into training into before we left and would not be training it to attack or be agressive, rather to be well behaved and perhaps snarl or whatever if someone tries to attack me to scare them away.

Please don't flame me, I will take on any thoughts and really consider them so please don't feel like you have to phrase things in an agressive way to 'get through to me'.

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Dieu · 18/04/2019 19:05

Get a rescue staffy! They definitely fit the loyal, protective bill. And look tough enough not to fuck around with. They really are THE best, and rescue centres are full of them Sad They are also smaller than GS, yet very robust and solid. They are not as prone to health concerns either.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 18/04/2019 21:45

All quite sensible so far.

Not really, though. It doesn't require a great deal of thought to realise that international travel with a dog is going to be massively complicated. I've never had to travel internationally with a pet but still recognise that passports, vaccinations and quarantine are likely to be very complex.

bridgetreilly · 18/04/2019 21:53

I dunno. Seems like OP is one of those poor people who have the internet but not google. Which doesn't strike me as a great way to plan a long, complicated international trip.

crazymare20 · 18/04/2019 23:11

Please don’t get a German shepherd if you are planning to go to warmer countries and then do lots of hiking. They have huge coats and do not fair well in the heat, you could end up with a very sick dog. Go for one with a shorter coat. I would second a Doberman, I’ve had gsd all my life but I still wouldn’t chance approaching a dobbie. But realistically I think you would be better investing in self defence classes and ensuring your van is extremely safe and avoiding remote areas rather than getting a dog

stayathomegardener · 18/04/2019 23:18

@Claeiai Are you my daughter?

This is EXACTLY her plan, so similar it's uncanny.

She is just 20 and has a pop up pink roof tent on top of her truck. Just come back from 10 days camping in the Isle of Skye which I think she found quite hard even with only herself to worry about.

To get a German shepherd for safety?
stayathomegardener · 18/04/2019 23:21

There has been much discussion recently regarding dogs and tent ladders...

crazycatgal · 18/04/2019 23:48

What sort of rescue is going to rehome a dog to you if you tell them you are looking for an intimidating looking dog to protect you whilst you live in a van?

How are you going to get the van to Australia and New Zealand? Do you think it's fair for the dog to go through quarantine?

Chesneyhawkes1 · 18/04/2019 23:52

I had a Doberman. She loved long walks and would regularly run 8 miles with me once she was over 2. Very loud bark and people find them intimidating so I'm told. She naturally guarded me and the house.

Short fur too so not as much to hoover up. She was an awesome dog.

FiveShelties · 18/04/2019 23:58

Having shipped a two dogs to NZ I can confirm it is very, very expensive and time consuming. I have no idea how you would do it as a tourist.

HollaHolla · 19/04/2019 00:11

Ferries to Australia & NZ.... after bringing a dog through SE Asia.... hard enough to export/import vehicles, never mind dogs.
Maybe think about doing the more far flung bits yourself, and then get a dog in a couple years when in Europe. A friend brought a fab rescue (total mongrel) back from Romania - she was nursing there for 3 years, not just importing strays. She then took 4/5 months to overland back with her car/dog/a tent or air b&b.

CookCleanCraft · 19/04/2019 01:12

One other thing to consider is that dogs aren't allowed in National Parks in Australia (where a lot of the best hiking is). I'm not sure on the rules in other countries, but it's another thing you'd need to check.

Motoko · 19/04/2019 01:46

Another couple of things to consider, what if YOU get ill, and end up in hospital for a stay?

Also, I know that some of the ferry companies in the UK, insist on dogs being kept in crates in a specific area of the ferry, so it might be the same in other countries.
Now, my geography on that area is just from looking at maps, but isn't Australia a long way from NZ? Surely, you'd be looking at a ship rather than a ferry, so would you be able to take the van?

It all sounds too far fetched. It would be different if you were travelling in the EU, it's relatively easy to travel with a dog there.

bluetongue · 19/04/2019 03:32

Your set up when you get back sounds great for a dog. Wait until then and get a dog.

I can’t talk about South East Asia but I’m not convinced Australia and New Zealand are THAT dangerous for travellers. Yes, some bad things happen occasionally but statistically I think as a tourist you’re more likely to drown than die in a Wolf Creek type scenario. Oh and I’d put some more research into making sure you can keep yourself alive and communicate in case you break down or get bogged in the really remote locations if you plan going there.

theWarOnPeace · 19/04/2019 06:16

This is going to be difficult bordering on the impossible. SE Asia for travel with a van and a German Shepard? Do you realise the heat/lack of road and parking infastructure/limit on animal travel that is going to plague you throughout? If you haven’t been before then you aren’t ready to take a dog there, honestly. The logistics of even getting a van from Australia to New Zealand and then across to SE Asia are going to be extremely prohibitive to the whole concept.

longearedbat · 19/04/2019 07:22

If you want to tour Australia by camper van, surely it would be cheaper to buy one there (or even rent one) rather than pay for the cost of transportation?

dontevenblink · 19/04/2019 07:50

It would be really expensive to import a van into NZ, it takes about 3 months by sea and has to meet a load of safety and fuel standards nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/importing-a-vehicle/step-2-evidence/used-vehicles-from-europe/ People don't import their own to here for travelling, but it is very common for tourists to buy one here, especially for long term. If you are worried about safety have you considered staying in hostels? They are everywhere and pretty cheap.

Also, a dog is not a great travelling companion in NZ if you want to do a lot of hiking as a lot of DOC (department of conservstion) land does not allow dogs due to their risk to wildlife, particularly kiwi. That would rule out a lot of places. Also, it is not nearly as dog friendly here as in the UK. Dogs are not allowed inside cafes, pubs etc so that would restrict you. We have a dog and do a lot of camping but it does restrict us a lot in where we can go.

There are a lot of tourists here and a lot of single travellers, so I think you would be ok, and meet lots of people if you didn't want to travel alone. My dsis travelled here on her own and Australia when she was late 20s and really enjoyed it.

Fuppy · 19/04/2019 09:16

There is another thing to consider here...I'm assuming you're more attracted to larger dog breeds because they're more imposing?

What happens if out when hiking your dog slips and injures one or two of its legs? You'll need to be able to carry your dog alone all the way back before being able to seek veterinary care.

I would also suggest a Rottweiler. They're soppy with those they know, don't care where they are as long as they're touching you (slept with mine in a small 2 man tent a few times) and they love walking. Even when they're highly socialised, they take at least 10 mins to evaluate strangers, they like to make eye contact, and due to their reputation from films & media, most people tend not to chance it. Incredibly trainable, they're so obsessed with you eager to please they try working out what you want so meet you half way with training. Mine would watch every little movement I made and would move accordingly so he was rarely 'in the way', similarly 50% of his judgment of strangers was made from my judgement, he'd keep looking at my expression/reaction/interaction.

That said, I wouldn't want to carry one very far. They're mainly black so can overheat. They're prone to separation anxiety and like most pedigree breeds can suffer with other health issues.

Also another aspect. Until you get that bond with your dog, a dog is just a dog, but after, as much as my dog did protect me, I became worried about him actually biting someone because at least, in the U.K. even if someone is burgling your home and your dog bites them, your dog is considered 'dangerous' and likely then destroyed, and on top of that you can be prosecuted.
Even worse, it is also an offence for your dog to worry people or if they believe your dog will harm them, it's treated as severely as if they had. And I'm sure it wouldn't surprise you to learn that people will cause a scene because your 'reputation' dog glanced at them part way through sniffing and peeing in a bush.

Many other dog owners won't be happy/trust your dog around theirs, even if yours is 100% under your control and theirs is a delinquent. Same with some people with children.

Also, 'reputation' dogs sadly are still used for fighting or for training a fighting dog, and therefore stolen for this reason, from outside shops, people's gardens/homes/cars.

A 'reputation' dog can also leave you isolated, people will cross a road to stay away from you.

If you pop into a shop, tie your dog outside...children don't understand reputation until older and will just see a dog they want to touch. Your dog doesn't see a child, just a short human harassing them. Even if your dog doesn't mind this, the parents then sometimes cause a scene.

Most people don't ask to touch your dog, they just do, and in dog society it's rude to touch before you know someone, depending on where and how the touch happens, it can also be a threat to the dog.

The practicalities of wanting a 'scary looking dog' with wanting to socialise with other camping people are a little juxtaposed and may not achieve your desired outcome.

Consider, your new friend wants to rob you. Your dog knows them as 'friend' and may not react.

Consider your new friend is drunk and wants to fuss your dog late or someone mistakes your van for theirs and your dog bites them.

Consider someone has entered your van, dog has gone straight for the throat and killed them. You were asleep, the intent of the intruder wasn't obvious...

There's a lot to consider, your dog's behaviour will likely be different with/without you around.

Your vision may pan out how you envision it, but you have to be aware that for that to happen you will need to meticulously plan and research and work hard to train and fully know your dog, even then, luck must be on your side.

Apologies for the length of the post and GL on your travels OP Smile

MorrisZapp · 19/04/2019 09:26

I'm not a dog person and I hate travelling but since I started following Henry the Colorado Dog on Instagram I could quite happily take off into the great beyond, my trusty hound by my side.

Check it out and get ready to melt.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 19/04/2019 09:38

I'm not a dog fan myself but it seems to be targeted with what you want .
You want a dog to protect you , to predict a situation for you .
You want a dog as a companion because travelling might be lonely .
But you will need this dog to fit in with all these different scenarios where you travel in a group.

And its fine if you want to travel in a converted van (your choice as an adult) but unfair to force that onto an unwitting animal.

Seems like a mad,bad and selfish plan all round .

powershowerforanhour · 19/04/2019 10:39

What dontevenblink said. I did loads of hiking in NZ and on reflection, saw practically no dogs, and it's because most of the public land you can hike on is controlled by the Department of Conservation. Dogs and cats have already destroyed much of the native birdlife (kiwi, weka, etc) and they are keen to preserve what's left (in fact I think NZ's conservation laws are the tightest in the world, and this includes import of animals).
I also agree with the idea of buying a cheap van when out there and selling at the end- there's a well established trade in this- value depends largely on how long is left on the warrant of fitness (MoT).
Hostels are cheap too so you could do a mix of camping and hostelling.
Do the big southern hemisphere trip without a dog...then come home, get a dog and do the same trip round Ireland, Scotland and Wales!! I don't think it's cruel to travel with a large breed in a van BTW. Large humans sleep in vans! It'll get plenty of exercise hiking with you and just needs a place to crash at night.

longearedbat · 19/04/2019 10:54

OP, if you haven't already, read Kanikaze Kangaroos! by Tony James Slater, about touring Australia in a van. Another good and funny writer is George Mahood who has done similar in both North and South America.

longearedbat · 19/04/2019 10:55

*Kamikaze Kangaroos!

dreichuplands · 19/04/2019 12:34

I have taken my dog around the world as my family has moved. It takes a lot of paperwork, it is very expensive and takes considerable planning. You will have to look at the requirements to get back into the UK as well as leaving it. Honestly this doesn't sound practical at all.
If you were living in the US then getting a dog for internal travel would be okay.

pippin108 · 19/04/2019 12:50

Just Hmm at all the posters having scary dogs that frighten people and keep people away so that people feel need to cross the street, and congratulate themselves on their spiteful attitude

Nice ....

Booboostwo · 19/04/2019 14:00

The OP has said, about three billion posts ago, that she has reconsidered the idea!

But how about a corgi? That would be a great breed! And don't forget to cancel the cheque.
Gin

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