Climate change activists shooting themselves in the foot?

[2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney]

I had sympathy with the both the cause and actions (though not the vandalism) until today. They are now paralysing the public transport system. Isn’t the main thrust of encouraging better habits for climate change , getting people out of their cars and onto public transport.
Fact 1: people need to work
Fact 2 : most need to commute , short journeys or long.
Fact 3: protests are to promote awareness and get the people on your side.

THIS WON’T !

People are going to be a lot more than “inconvenienced” due to climate change! You won’t be late for work. You won’t even have a job but will be scrabbling around in the dirt trying to forage for food for your starving children.

To make a change from a position of authority would probably require you to be a dictatorial leader. Trying to change business from within has made me very cynical ( but I keep trying, and I know i have made a difference, just not good enough) . From a business perspective Real change isn’t required, only a good PR story. And if real change should cost, well it won’t pass the finance department or the shareholders . Another thing government needs to regulate on.

. And the refugee crisis today is thousands, tomorrow billions

I'm done with this thread.
The protesters for rent will move on soon and people can move on with actual strategies with real consequences that actually work.
China doesnt GAF about some idiots glued to Corbyn's nice picket fence.
(I'm sure Saint Corbyn doesnt really GAF either unless they damage it to be fair)
Piss off the people that are needed behind this cause. Excellent plan.

The streets aren’t ‘lovely and quiet’. They are full of swampy-allikes and pissed off commuters (and confused/bemused tourists).

Sorry if below points already mentioned. Haven'trread every single post in this thread.

Don't talk to me about climate change if:

You have contributed to overpopulation by having children.

You have just one child and think that a two bedroom house is impossibly small and so need four bedrooms.

You commute to work in another town.

You change your car every three years.

You drive your children to the 'better' school instead of walking to the nearest one.

You holiday abroad.

You drive from one end of the country to that adorable little cottage in the Lake district/Cornwall/Devon. The same cottage that the locals could never afford to buy because of second homers.

You decorate your house every couple of years because you are bored.*

You buy a new sofa because it would be nice and not because the old one is on its last legs.*

• At the same time crowing on about how ace you are at recycling.

If you have contributed to the spread of London by moving there. There are less polluted, coonjested areas to live beound the M25.

I could go on.

We are all hypocrites, some more than others. But some of the biggest ones are climate change protestors.

@MrMeeseekscando

No idea why they did it during recess, but presumably a lot more protesters were available due to Easter holidays etc?
The govt doesn't need to actually be sitting to get the message, does it?

They haven't specifically targeted public transport, the idea is civil disobedience, which means shutting down the city, stopping people going to work etc. It's not targeting public transport for any other reason than that as far as I can make out.

then I can lecture you, notanidiot ? Thanks

Government needs to act becuase I am young enough that this will matter ( and that’s not young) and could kill me, and my daughter, and everyone else I know. And you, your life is at risk. Not just the quality of your life. They have not listened to reason.

Even if we manage to reduce our carbon output, humans have terraformed about 75% of the earth's landmass and counting which is really messing with biodiversity, while the intensive farming needed to feed us all contributes to soil degradation. I honestly think it's a losing battle for the maintenance of current biodiversity unless we can reduce our numbers along with our consumption and pollution. Fewer humans would automatically mean less carbon output and pollution and so forth. If there were only say half a billion of us we could probably be as messy as we liked right now. Whereas fifteen billion humans all using renewables is still going to be a teensy bit of a problem for the planet's other species.

Happily, despite our human-friendly environment being under threat, the planet itself will be just fine whatever happens and does not itself need 'saving'. It's climate has varied from tropical ice-free to snowball in the past. Mass extinctions occur. Other species eventually benefit, as we did. I'm still doing my recycling mind.

... any more suggestions of pointless things to try?

How about the protesters building a huge mountain of rubbish to demonstrate wasteful lifestyles? They could make a start using the colossal amount of litter they seem to have forgotten to take home after their jolly day out; even the spray cans used for all that graffiti could be a useful addition

Funny how nobody wants to address the damaging mess they've made, isn't it?

Because the damaging mess you see is like a miniscule drop in the ocean of mess that we are in. In the whole picture , any mess that a few thousand people could make over a few days is nothing compared to the mess a few billion people make day in day out. It’s irrelevent.

They're not disrupting the cyclists

In the whole picture , any mess that a few thousand people could make over a few days is nothing compared to the mess a few billion people make day in day out

But useful, perhaps, in showing the utter hypocrisy of so many protesters on a personal level ... especially when those individuals prate on endlessly about how "wasteful" everyone else is

OP here. Several hours on and it must be said having watched life from space on the BBC I have certainly paused for thought and understand what a lot of people are saying on here. Ok it’s a lot of disruption but look at the threat of climate change. I guess it’s what’s needed for people to sit up and take more notice.
I take my original post back.

2bees

Had you honestly not paid much attention to climate change til the protesters bought it to your attention?

Hypocrisy is the cheap slur on people actively day in day out trying to make people listen to the bigger picture.

they want zero emission - as Chris packham said on the news is aim for the stars and reach the sky

the UK government promotes huge fossil fuel business

most humans (apart from the very few) really don't give a shit about the bigger picture, china doesnt give a shit about the bigger picture, america doesnt give a shit about the bigger picture.

the humans are killing this world. they really are: but yeah some people drinking water out of plastic bottles are hypocrites so lets just not give a shit because I am pissed of with travel delay.

God why are humans such awful cunts

Personally I think we deserve everything that happens to us in the future

It’s irrelevent

But if i see a litter lout i should still give them dirty looks and muttering...yeah?

I personally dont have a problem with the protesters

But if they are leavimg litter and its fine because its irrelevant...then i don't understand why they are excused

The people i know who are very vocal on the theme of dropping litter...dont drop it themselves

God why are humans such awful cunts

Im an awful cunt cos i dont like people dropping litter?

I am actually an awful cunt

Just not for that reason

@Rufusthebewilderedreindeer

I wasnt actually talking about you, I was talking about humans attitude towards the state of the earth. I don't like litter either.

To be honest, I walk down oxford st and the litter is horrendous all the time. I can't see I've noticed any increase with the protest.

I should say every day twice a day

mean

Ive been avoiding the news to be honest, so I haven't seen it myself

But yeah...london is full of litter, its a shame

Yes I was aware of course and took it seriously. Just not enough .

It’s just a very British protest, but of glasto!

Apart from the person who glued themselves to a train, I think that was a big mistake on their part. But they have drawn attention to the problems.

I mainly despair because in reality if China and America don’t give a shit. And I am guilt of thinking what’s the point of me doing anything.

This isn’t really about recycling your tub of yoghurt. This is much bigger.

Ugh I don’t know. I think we are just fucked. Really fucked. At least we will make ourselves extinct eventually.

I mainly despair because in reality if China and America don’t give a shit. And I am guilt of thinking what’s the point of me doing anything

Just not enough

I agree