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To think most conspiracy theories and those who believe in them are anti-Semitic?

46 replies

FunkyKingston · 09/04/2019 17:11

That in most of these theories, along with the nakedly antisemitic ones like Holocaust denial, those based on unknown /unseen groups controlling the world economy or the media inevitably point the finger at Jewish people?

When people say 'oh i keep an open mind' or 'David Icke is right about some things' think they're being broad minded, but in reality they're buying into semi veiled anti semitism and age old myths about Jews and Judaism.

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Justanotherlurker · 09/04/2019 19:27

you’re broadly right.

Broadly....

that requires many people knowing ‘the truth’ but covering it up

Ignores things like MK Ultra esq experiments/Snowden leaks, flat earthers, anti vaxers, 9/11, moon landings etc etc.

If you look at the antisemtic ones then of course they are, to pretend all are, or in your case broadly is akin to trying to pin down those who believe in some of the crap out their along partisan politics lines.

Bezalelle · 09/04/2019 19:37

I believe in some of them and I'm a Jew!

Bezalelle · 09/04/2019 19:37

(Not the anti-Semitic ones, obvs)

HBStowe · 09/04/2019 19:39

YANBU, there is a massive overlap between ‘new world order’ type conspiracy theories and anti-semitism. The former is often little more than a thin veneer to disguise the latter. It’s an incredibly well-documented correlation.

YeOldeTrout · 09/04/2019 19:39

aha! I get it.
The conspiracy theory is... that conspiracy theories are all started by anti-semites! It's part of their global anti-Jewish master plan.

Glad that's all cleared up. Social status points to OP for pointing it out (since gaining those is a major objective of promoting CTs).

KissingInTheRain · 09/04/2019 19:39

Ignores things like MK Ultra esq experiments/Snowden leaks, flat earthers, anti vaxers, 9/11, moon landings etc etc.

No it doesn’t.

araiwa · 09/04/2019 19:44

What have jews got to do with a flat earth or moonlandings?

ScrewyMcScrewup · 09/04/2019 19:46

You're absolutely right. I love reading about conspiracy theories (don't believe in them, just find the whole psychology fascinating!) but I don't go down the rabbit hole anymore because it so often leads to truly terrifying hatred of Jews. Apparently they did everything from orchestrating 9/11 to killing Whitney Houston and her daughter.

Thelovecats85 · 09/04/2019 19:49

flat earth, we didn't land on the moon, anti vax, Area 51 and chemtrails etc are nothing do with religion or race

Actually flat earth links in the creationism. Science, the globe earth, the moon and the universe are all to hide god from us. The Bible was right the earth was created by God and we live in a closed system.

DownStreet · 09/04/2019 19:51

There is a trend where previously unconnected conspiracy theories are now much more connected. In the past you’d be right to say that Roswell and JFK were nothing to do with New World Order, but for various reasons - interconnected information, any cover up confirming to believers the existence of a shadowy cabal etc - these groups of conspiracy theories are now much more connected than they were just a couple of decades ago.

AverageMan · 09/04/2019 19:52

YABU. There are as many global conspiracy theories involving non-Jewish groups as Jewish ones.

Justanotherlurker · 09/04/2019 19:53

No it doesn’t.

Yes it does, before Snowden it was considered a New world conspiracy theory that governments where dragneting all internet traffic and employing bot farms to influence discussions online, they didn't even touch antisemitism, same with MK Ultra, Bilderberg stuff can touch on it in the extreme cases but to pretend everyone who believes in them are antisemetic or all conspiracy theories are is why the OP is BU.

Thelovecats85 · 09/04/2019 19:56

He's a Holocaust denier who has been banned drom both Austria and Canada.

David Icke may have other antisemitic theory's but I can't see how the lizard one is when it's about non Jewish people.

Justanotherlurker · 09/04/2019 20:00

The conspiracy theory is... that conspiracy theories are all started by anti-semites! It's part of their global anti-Jewish master plan.

Yeah I think this is the way it was intended.

Thelovecats85 · 09/04/2019 20:00

@Justanotherlurker

Exactly, they try and shut down conversation about billderberg by saying people that speak against them are anti semites. But it's nothing to do with antisemitism.

KissingInTheRain · 09/04/2019 20:06

No it doesn’t.

Of those that you’ve mentioned that are conspiracy theories at all (Snowden isn’t - that was just disclosure; MK Ultra isn’t - that was LSD etc experiments which are documented and admitted) the ultimate explanation for the ‘deceptions’ is secretive powermongering. Jews are alleged to form part of that. ‘Rothschild’ is the name most often thrown around by these ignorant and unpleasant conspiracists.

I agree that not every conspiracy theorist is an anti-Semite, at least not wittingly, but many are. And the conspiracies fuel the effect.

Justanotherlurker · 09/04/2019 20:25

Of those that you’ve mentioned that are conspiracy theories at all (Snowden isn’t - that was just disclosure; MK Ultra isn’t - that was LSD etc experiments which are documented and admitted)

You are applying retrospective knowledge and ignoring the premise of the OP, they where both globalist conspiracy theories before they become true.

Jews are alleged to form part of that. ‘Rothschild’ is the name most often thrown around by these ignorant and unpleasant conspiracists.

I agree, I am framing my argument along the lines of the OP though, there has and is many globalists CT that are not even remotely antisemitic. And the 2 I mentioned fall into that, aloing with AntiVax, Flatearth etc etc.

JacquettaW · 09/04/2019 22:54

YABU there are lots of theories that don't involve Jewish people.

I have an issue too with people being labelled anti semites for simply asking a question that contradicts the official narrative

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 10/04/2019 00:13

It’s just a matter of asking the fools that believe these things ‘how?’ and ‘why?’ often enough. They’ll get to Jews in the end, even if they hide behind euphemisms like ‘bankers’ or ‘capitalist-military complex’.

That would be conclusive if all bankers were Jews and all Jews were bankers, but that clearly isn't the case. The Rothschilds are Jewish and it's a matter of historical record that they've got supremely rich from international banking and that they have immense control over world finances in general.

Supposedly, their family grip over the financial markets first began after one of their number had early information about the results of a war and sold shares/bonds (or whatever they were called then) as one would have expected had the result been the opposite, causing them to plummet and everybody else to sell theirs, which Mr R then bought up across the board for pennies and reaped immeasurable rewards when the true result of the war was widely known.

David Rockefeller was another usual suspect and, as it happens, also Jewish. In his memoirs, he plainly stated that he was involved in a conspiracy to the detriment of at least one country:

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

However, 99.999999999% of Jews are NOT Rothschilds or Rockefellers (or Henry Kissinger for that matter).

If criticising a relatively few people (whether justly or otherwise) of anything negative - from guarded political 'expediency' right up to grand-scale conspiracy - who happen to share a race, religion of ethnicity - is a sign of racial/religious hatred then it must follow that anybody calling Hitler, Himmler, Eichmann et al evil is ostensibly demonstrating their hatred of 80 million perfectly decent, normal Germans.

What I'm saying is that, whilst antisemitism is abhorrent, it must never be exploited and used an an excuse to mean that anybody who happens to be Jewish is any more immune from criticism than anybody else for what they have or may be believed to have DONE (as opposed to what they ARE i.e. Jewish.)

Clearly, it's nothing whatsoever of the same magnitude, and nobody was being particularly nasty, but the recent (subsequently-pulled) thread about a particular X-Factor winner making an apparently foolish/naive statement was completely hijacked by an obsessed poster who first decided to draw attention to the fact that said star happens to be black (nobody else had mentioned it because it's totally irrelevant) and then extrapolated from their own introduction of an immaterial fact that everybody joining in with the teasing/unkindness towards her was ergo being horribly racist.

KissingInTheRain · 10/04/2019 00:16

Uh oh.

JacquettaW · 10/04/2019 00:26

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll I agree

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