... to have had a smoked salmon bagel

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I'm in my first trimester. second pregnancy. I really wanted one.

Some websites say avoid bevause of Listeria but from minimal research I've done tells me 100% of cases of Listeria was because of salad and vegetables. There are 0 reported cases from fish or cheese.

So I've eaten it. It was really nice. Aibu?

Smoked salmon isn't on the banned food list for pregnancy so a complete non-issue.

I ate loads of stuff that was on the ‘banned’ list. Let alone stuff that the NHS doesn’t mention.

It's meant to be fine but for some reason I wouldn't have it in my pregnancies. I think it's the fact it's almost raw. But if you're drinking wine and champagne I'm not sure why you're worried about salmon.

😋 hope you enjoyed it!!

I had a smoked salmon sandwich most days during early pregnancy. My roommate at work was Japanese and said it was fine (Japanese women eat lots of sushi when pregnant) as did the nhs guidelines though tbh didn’t even occur to me it might be an issue for weeks

That first link was to a US site. NHS says it's fine

Do you think they smoke salmon differently in America? If you want to know if salmon has a risk of listeria YES IT DOES. If you don't care and are going to eat and drink whatever you want while pregnant go ahead.

No I think they are more risk averse and not always with good reason. Runny eggs are ok here now too if they have been lion stamped. US advises against deli meats whereas they are ok in the UK

It obviously not a very high risk in pregnancy or NHS would advise against it. Nobody said they were going to eat and drink whatever they wanted, just wanted to know what was/wasn't recommendef

P.s. your last link didn't work

I ate it, sushi too - but I didn't follow the rules apart from excess booze (then they said a glass of wine was fine) and no peanuts ... they now say peanuts are fine go figure, they were super dangerous then apparently.

@celeryeater actually there is a difference as it’s farmed differently. The farming process for salmon in the uk makes it relatively safe to eat, compared to the US. But then you should have known that, with your career background.....

Lots of foods have a risk for listeria. But the nhs advice is sensible and pragmatic. It only advises against foods that are higher risk of actually causing a listeria infection in a person eating it.
Otherwise the advice would be too restrictive and unrealistic. For example you are more likely to contract food poisoning when eating out but it would be ridiculously overkill to say don’t eat out in pregnancy. The advice is based on a balance of risk. Smoked salmon is very very unlikely to cause any problems. Even raw sushi is fine if the fish has been frozen.
I was careful during my pregnancies but to say OP shouldn’t eat smoked salmon is very overcautious.

Yes and the reasons for different countries having different guidelines, is that countries have different rates of bacteria in their food produce. For example toxoplasmosis in UK meat is unlikely, whereas in other countries it is higher.

Anon10 is quite right - guidelines differ from country to country because risks in farming and food supply chains differ from country to country. Runny eggs are a prime example. Another one is houmous - on the banned list in some countries but listed on the NHS’s list of healthy snacks for pregnant women here!

I learnt quickly only to look at the NHS list - if you followed all the guidelines for everywhere in the world then you’ll eat pretty much nothing but bread. And the NHS list says smoked salmon is fine.

Also not sure I understand the snarky comment upthread that if the OP’s having a small amount of alcohol then the poster doesn’t see why she’s worried about smoked salmon - I assume the implication is that the OP’s such a cavalier parent-to-be for having a small amount of alcohol during pregnant she’s probably willing to throw caution to the wind about everything else. Obviously alcohol consumption and listeria/toxoplasmosis are totally different risks. OP is entitled to be concerned about one and not the other.

I work in food microbiology not smoked salmon farming!

Try this link

www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/listeria

A risk isn't the same as 'going to happen'. And I bet French women don't all stop eating unpasteurised cheese when they're pregnant, or Japanese women sushi.

That link doesn't say to avoid smoked salmon though. There might be a risk but obviously not a big enough one to warrant a warning to avoid it in pregnancy

smoked salmon is a very common source of listeria

I must be immune, I reckon. I eat smoked salmon 2-3 times a week, I bloody love it. I eat a lot of soft cheese, too.

Considering the last major outbreak of listeria in this country was caused by frozen sweet corn (!) I’d just eat what you fancy!

Lakie, you probably are immune most healthy people are! The foetus isn't.

I'm giving up posting anymore because I've given the facts.

I only rely on the NHS website for info like this.

Have you read that link celeryeater ?

Under the heading What you can do to avoid Listeria it doesn’t mention not eating smoked salmon, or in fact anything. It’s all about food prep/ storage / hygiene guidelines...

But maybe that balanced approach doesn’t suit your agenda...🤷🏻‍♀️

You can eat it if you cook it.

I don't get why people are having trouble with this really. Listeria is killed with heat so hence why they are giving that advice on the link. You could have eaten that frozen sweetcorn too if you'd cooked it to the correct temperature.

When I was pregnant I would stir fry smoked salmon and have it that way. It

www.sbs.com.au/food/article/2019/07/26/what-listeria-and-how-does-it-spread-smoked-salmon