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Snooping, checking up..

42 replies

OldAndWornOut · 30/03/2019 00:15

Is it ever reasonable to look at your partner's phone, go through their pockets, dress up as a large shrub and follow them?

No personal reason for asking; just interested to see how far you might go if you suspected something was 'going on'.

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PlainSpeakingStraightTalking · 30/03/2019 01:47

@home - my first husband couldn't keep it in his pants, handy with his fist too.

You get up and walk away, choose better next time. Life is a learning curve, you learn from mistakes and don't repeat them. If you project the past on to the future, you've learned nothing.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 30/03/2019 01:50

That way madness lies....

Just one reason why you should never wire Suggs up to a polygraph machine....

homethenababy · 30/03/2019 01:54

@PlainSpeakingStraightTalking I'll remember that if I need to, sound a good philosophy. Sorry your ex was such a shit and I hope you are happy now

PlainSpeakingStraightTalking · 30/03/2019 01:59

@home - cheers Grin very happy, been remarried 25 years and I'd put my life in his hands in a heartbeat

homethenababy · 30/03/2019 02:08

@PlainSpeakingStraightTalking no phone snooping then Wink

Decormad38 · 30/03/2019 02:15

We are always answering each others phones. He never takes his ruddy phone anywhere so if it rings I end up looking then going to find him. I wish he would be more private with the bloody thing!

Smotheroffive · 30/03/2019 02:17

The thing is to trust yourself, if you trust yourself (ie the reason you feel spurred to 'snoop') then you know for yourself, you don't need to go snooping or listen to any lying/crying by him blaming you for being mad/crazy bitch and gaslight you into an early grave, just walk away, you must trust yourself.

Boredgiraffes · 30/03/2019 02:22

@homethenababy he didn’t just forget the whopper, he denied despite the meat sweats and the receipt. I would have called divorce but we’re in McDonald’s monopoly season 😂

homethenababy · 30/03/2019 02:24

@Boredgiraffes good shout! Wait til he wins the apple pie and claim half in the settlement. Good luck, you can do better Grin

Graphista · 30/03/2019 02:40

Half an apple pie? He'll no get the whole pie Grin

I posted on the "affair proof" thread as one who was with someone who everyone, not just me, everyone who knew him would have bet their lives he wouldn't cheat. I still got comments from HIS friends and family years later about how THEY were still trying to get their heads around it.

I needed to know for me, and for dd, if I was gonna end the marriage I needed to know I was right.

It was ridiculously easy as it happened as he was too stupid to delete stuff or even throw away receipts.

I don't regret it and if in the same position again I'd do it again.

They were both (she was supposedly a friend) gaslighting hell out of me too

Re dd the deal with her having a smart phone, sm accounts etc as a CHILD was that I had access so not really snooping as she knew. That was for her protection and again it was a good decision imo as I realised she was being bullied - it wasn't obvious to her as it was a "mean girls" queen bee controlling her friendship group type thing and she didn't have the maturity or experience to recognise it as bullying which is why she'd not said anything to me, she thought that if anything she was in the wrong as queen bee had convinced her of this. The matter was (eventually - bloody hard things to disentangle) resolved but I wouldn't even have known if I hadn't been regularly checking her phone.

So again no regrets.

I'm afraid I do think those that give blithe responses on this type of thing likely haven't experienced it themselves.

I think it's one of those things you don't actually know how you'll respond until you're in the situation/.

I've never once read of anyone who simply decided the trust was gone and left without any proof of infidelity. It's a big thing to end a ltr/marriage and huge to break up a family, I don't think anyone makes that decision lightly.

PregnantSea · 30/03/2019 03:27

If I had a very good reason to think he was cheating then maybe I would, but I doubt it. I think if I was that paranoid I'd talk to him about it honestly, and if the conversation didn't put my mind to rest I'd just start thinking about divorce. Either you're so paranoid that the trust is gone, or he is actually cheating on you. Either one sounds like the marriage is over to me. Never been in that situation though so maybe I'd react differently in the thick of it

WhatToDoAboutWailmerGoneRogue · 30/03/2019 03:43

No, it is never acceptable to snoop. Even if you strongly suspect something. It is not okay to just violate someone else’s privacy like that.

If you have such a lack of trust that you are willing to snoop, you should just end the relationship, because it isn’t going anywhere anyway.

Rarfy · 30/03/2019 03:46

If i thought there was a reason to i would definitely do some digging.

I do think though you're always sure to find something you won't like and need to have your own personal boundaries before doing it.

MillicentMartha · 30/03/2019 11:43

I looked at my H’s phone at a time when I was convinced something was up. I’d asked him ourtright if he was having an affair with B, he categorically denied it. When in actual fact he was making plans to leave me in a few months while gaslighting me that he didn’t love me anymore because I was so horrible.

He was my husband of 20 years, we had 3 DC, one with SN. He had had a mid life crisis after a cancer scare which had turned out to be false. He’d suddenly changed his password on his phone when before we both knew each other’s and often used the other’s phone.

I’m sorry, but the trust had definitely gone. The relationship was damaged but I was willing to go to counselling which he’d agreed to, because I still loved him and thought it could be resolved. In reality he’d already checked out and was just pandering to me while he got his ‘ducks in a row.’ Which were to convince me he was going to leave because I was unlovable, and his ‘new relationship’ wouldn’t start until after he’d left. So he could look like the good guy, in his family and friends’ eyes and especially in his children’s.

But I spoilt that for him when I discovered his secret email account (too clever to text) and hundreds of emails to the OW, some very explicit which were also full of lies. He was so into the habit of lying to make himself look good he didn’t distinguish between lying to me and his family or lying to her.

We had been completely open with each other’s emails and phones before then. We’d even shared an email account originally, one that had different addresses but all emails visible to both of us, without a worry.

I feel absolutely no guilt for looking at his phone. I did it once, it confirmed my suspicions which he’d been strenuously denying and he’d left our house and family within a couple of hours of me finding the emails and confronting him.

If I hadn’t found out, the relationship would have dragged on for a few more months while he sorted out his finances, ie hidden his assets, and he’d have left with his reputation intact and mine shattered. As it happened I managed to hold on to the house and the moral high ground. It hasn’t stopped him going on to be apparently very happy with his new wife 8 years later, but he’s slowly destroying his relationship with his boys and doesn’t seem to care.

Fuck him and his ‘privacy!’ He was lying to me and hurting me. He was cheating and gaslighting. Why should keep his privacy in those circumstances?

jacks11 · 30/03/2019 12:24

No, I wouldn't snoop on my DH. If I had to do that, there are big problems in our relationship that would need addressing. As others have said if you don't have trust, then your relationship is in deep trouble.

And where do you go if you find nothing? Does the thing that made you suspicious go away? Most likely not, so you're no further forward AND you've breached someone's privacy.

Perhaps my view is coloured by the fact a previous partner snooped on me- without cause as I wasn't cheating on him and I still don't understand why he was suspicious really. In any case, he obviously found nothing on my phone, so went through all sorts of personal things such as mail, my computer, emails etc. He found nothing but I found out what he had done (he had been trying to access work emails) and confronted him. I was deeply hurt and very angry, he had utterly and completely breached my privacy and broken my trust in him. All "on a hunch". No evidence, no real reason. Just "a feeling". He said he couldn't possibly have talked to me about his suspicions. because "you would have just denied it". Well, yes I would have denied it- because I wasn't doing anything wrong.

He tried to say I was so angry because I had been caught out and was being defensive to try to turn it round on him in a "attack is the best defence" strategy. It wasn't, I was angry because he clearly had no respect for me and had behaved towards me in a way I found intolerable. I ended our relationship because he clearly did not trust me and nothing I could say would ever 100% convince him he was wrong. And now I did not trust him. So there was nothing left to save. He did try to rekindle the relationship as he later realised he was wrong about the cheating, although maintained he was within his rights to check up on me as he really did think I had been having an affair. However, I decided against a reconciliation as I couldn't see any mileage in the relationship after that.

But this experience does make me a bit irritated when posters on MN come out with things like "if you having a feeling, you're probably right and so you should act on it" or "if they are angry, it means they've something to hide, so you were right to do it. They should be trying to reassure you". I hated the way my ex-partners snooping made me feel and I don't think it's right to do that to someone. If you have a suspicion, tackle it directly- at least you'll all know where you stand and you won't be treating your partner with contempt, in the event you have it wrong.

Or looking at it another way. You snoop and find nothing- are you any further forward or have you allayed your fears. Probably not. If you find something, presumably you'll have to confront them (or end the relationship without saying why presumably). So why not just confront them in the first place? There's only a few things that can happen:

  • they deny it and you still don't believe them. If this is the case then what is the point in staying in that relationship? You don't trust them and believe they are having an affair and either your right (relationship over/in trouble) or you're wrong but don't trust them (relationship over/in trouble).
  • If they deny it and you know they are guilty, your relationship is still in trouble or over, depending on your view of it.
  • If they deny it and you believe them- you can work on things.
  • If they admit it, you at least have the truth and can decide whether to end the relationship or try to salvage it.
Smotheroffive · 30/03/2019 12:53

Exactly jack
The huge flaw in snooping, apart from its destruction on any relationship, is that some who seek to deceive are very good at covering their tracks, which doesn't mean they're not cheating!! Just that they are good at deceit.

Where do you go if you've overstepped that boundary and not found anything?

It's not really a foundation for dismissing your suspicions. You're back to square one, but broken some very important boundaries.

WhatToDoAboutWailmerGoneRogue · 30/03/2019 15:46

As it happened I managed to hold on to the house and the moral high ground.

MillicentMartha No, you lost the moral high ground when you invaded his privacy.

Fuck him and his ‘privacy!’ He was lying to me and hurting me. He was cheating and gaslighting. Why should keep his privacy in those circumstances?

It doesn’t matter what he did or didn’t do, he had a right to privacy and it was unacceptable of you to invade that. Despicable behaviour on your part.

You may not feel guilty or ashamed, but I think that just adds to the low moral character you’ve shown.

Everyone has a right to privacy regardless of what you think they did or didn’t do, and whether or not they even did said thing in the first place.

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