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I thought that the random six million folks who signed up might have had a voice. but apparently not.

So on we go into the wilderness that is Brexit.

I have a cellar full of tinned peas and spam. I will survive. Perhaps.

Well if we’re daft enough to make it a straight leave versus remain again then we’ll be in exactly the same position we are in now.

You can’t turn a spectrum of views and opinions into a black and white position and expect the result to make sense.

Well if that happened - as long as the process was lawful and transparent and truthful, and the effect of any result was clear and lawful and set out clearly in the pre-vote campaigning - wenwould know where we stood and we would have made an informed national decision. Parliament would have to implement it if it were binding (and the legislation contained provisions about this) or parliament would be advised (if as now the legislation did not make it binding).

You’d hope if there were a second ref that mistakes made in this whole process would not be replicated but after the last 2 years, 3 weeks in particular I wouldn’t trust parliament further than I could toss it.

What @HeronLanyon said! A fantastic explanation.

People vote - why are leavers so against it - must be worried we will actually remain this time!

ook seriously at the statistics. Under 30s did not bother to vote

Yes they did, they voted in similar proportions to everyother age group. It was only the over 55s who voted more

I find the continued spreading of this myth/lie absolutely infuriating

More infuriating than people not knowing what democracy means

We voted in advisory capacity"

That is definitely a post-hoc revisionist theory

In the U.K. referenda are always advisory because parliament is sovereign. There is no revisionism just constitutional law.

I’m beginning to think it’s a deliberate redefining of democracy, rufus rather than not understanding.

The referendum was not democratic. It should be ignored.

I’m beginning to think it’s a deliberate redefining of democracy, rufus rather than not understanding

Oooooh do yiu reckon?

Makes sense

I just thought people needed a course in British politics and a good dictionary

But youre saying they have those things theyve just got a sharpie out and are changing meanings

I getcha

Should say that expanation is not my own. I am a lawyer but definitely not constitutional law ! I just thought that explanation set it out more clearly than anything i’d seen.

I would add the tories said (during the campaign) that they would abide by the result. No one else said that. Parliament did not say that. That in itself was unlawful and misled some. Cameron ‘had to’ say that for his Eurosceptics ‘problem’ tonappease them. shortly after the result that unlawful pledge started to become ‘accepted’ when repeated ad nauseam by various ministers.
I think everyone wants to ‘respect’ the referendum which is why we’ve had three years of mess on (and got nowhere). This is not the same as being bound by it !!

I’m not thinking tin foil hat conspiracy (yet), Rufus. More like ‘big lie on the side of a bus’. It’s easily disproved by facts but once the idea’s grown wings it doesn’t matter. Vote Leave knew exactly what they were doing with that bus and I suspect whoever started talking about a 2nd ref being anti democratic also knows what they are doing. It seems to be all over social media and it doesn’t make any sense as an argument at all.

rafal

No it doesn't make any sense

Article 50 itself is not fit for purpose. That is another reason why it should be revoked.

The text of it should be amended to say something like you should present a clear and feasible negotiating plan/strategy before triggering it, otherwise you will leave with no deal.

If it isn't revisited in that sort of way by the EU member states then TM may not be the last fuckwit to invoke it with no clue about what to do next.

The most frightening thing about all of this is the willingness of some people to dump democracy just because they can’t have their own way.

Democracy is aforever evolving beast. If you think only one vote , ever, counts - then we'd never have elections

Even on Deal or No Deal players are given the option to swap boxes

Plus, there were entire countries who voted to Remain. Why does that count for nothing? Why give them a vote in the first place? That's not democracy.

6 million including a load of people from abroad, vs 17 million people who were entitled to vote. More crying from the remoaners.

6 million including a load of people from abroad

There are British people abroad...you do know that right

Yes they did. But only 30% of under 40s voted because they couldn't really be bothered at the time. They've had no real experience of politics or life in general. Just let ev eryboy else get on with it.

Absolute bollocks.

Turnout was 64% among 18-24 year olds and 65% among 25-39 year olds.

Australia forces people to vote. We are free not to vote in this country. Those who regret not voting will perhaps make sure they do next time there is a referendum or election. I wanted to remain, but am getting behind the decision that was voted for by the majority who voted. Just wish the government would get on with some concrete plans!

Turnout was 64% among 18-24 year olds and 65% among 25-39 year olds

Yep continuity has it

But even if it were true are we seriously saying that everyone under 40 has no life experience?

Given that 116 MPs are under 40, should we sack them for not having enough political or life experience?

Hi all
Just got to put my say here. I am a leave voter and would continue to vote leave.
There are many reasons for my wanting to vote leave and they are my views.
I've seen friends and family's fall out over this and whilst I admire the passion we all have over this I am so disgusted at the way people from both sides talk about each other and too each other.
Yes leave won yes it's not going to be easy but anything worth having isn't.
The EU won't give us a fantastic deal because if they did it would encourage more countries to follow. They want to make an example out of us for daring to want to change. I have much respect for the majority of remainers who are passionate and hold true but there is no need for calling people stupid and ignorant. Tempers need to calm you fear the future at the moment the unknown is always scary but I do believe we can do well.

Do you accept all economic predictions are bad? That ministers are worried about food and medicine shortages?