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AIBU to not know exactly what I've done wrong?

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trulyconfuseddotcom · 22/03/2019 21:55

I'm confused and could do with some other views on this. My husband came home from work this evening and we sat on the sofa having a general chat about our day, the weekend, just normal stuff. All seemed fine, he seemed fairly relaxed for a Friday night (he works long hours in a stressful job and is frequently very tired at the end of the week). He then took the dog for a walk, I stayed on the sofa watching some telly. When he came back from taking the dog out, he came in the living room and seemed quite upset / annoyed; he began to tell me that I had done something earlier during our chat that had been upsetting to him, apparently I had asked his opinion on something and when he gave me his opinion, I disagreed with it. He can’t remember what it was, but he was pretty annoyed / upset about it, enough to come back and tell me that this was something I’ve done at other points over the seven years we’ve been together and I should consider changing my behaviour and stop doing it. I asked him to please tell me what the conversation had been about because I have absolutely zero idea what he is referring to, we were just having vague chats on the settee and nothing struck me as contentious so this is a bit of a mystery to me. He says he can’t remember so he can’t tell me. I am not sure how I am supposed to have a reasonable and fair discussion with him if I don’t know what we are discussing, but he says the specifics don’t matter, that I’m aware of my behaviours from other times so we can discuss it as an abstract. I explain that there have been times in the past where I do recognise this pattern of interaction between us, but that from my perspective, some of these have been a case of him getting annoyed because he doesn’t like being disagreed with. He says this is trite, and that he feels like I deliberately set him up by asking his opinion on things so that I can tell him that he’s wrong. This all went on for a while; it turned into a bit of a row and he’s gone up to bed. I feel super upset and confused myself now. I can’t understand how we can have a conversation about an incident if he can’t tell me what the incident was, that seems a bit weird to me – like how can I understand what might of happened or put forward my own perspective if I don’t know what happened? He feels that I’m being defensive and trying to avoid the issue by wanting to know what the actual thing was that has upset him. I feel kind of weirdly manipulated, but maybe I am in the wrong here? Do I just need to let him tell me that I upset him and accept that and apologise and promise to try and change my behaviour in future? Not really sure what to think. I am now dreading the weekend. There will probably be silent treatment – I tend to be the ‘let’s sort it out straight away and not go to bed angry’ type and he’s more likely to be pissed off/hurt/upset for a couple of days. Any thoughts would be great, sorry if this is too long – I’ve never posted anything like this before so a bit nervous. Not to give too much history but I come from a difficult family background so have always tended to assume everything bad is my fault, been in therapy for a couple of years now though so am getting better at not doing that (but don’t think I’m always blameless either!). Thanks.

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nanananightfevernightfeeever · 22/03/2019 23:31

Noteventhebestdrummer Fri 22-Mar-19 21:57:21
Maybe you didn't use paragraph

Maybe you're related to him? i.e needlessly a pee taker for the 'funs'?

He's out of order OP - don't let him treat you like that, you deserve better

Absolutepowercorrupts · 22/03/2019 23:51

Where is Anyfucker when you need her
Re your latest post he's a knobhead who is playing you. If you can, get rid of him or leave him. This is not normal behaviour

EKGEMS · 23/03/2019 00:12

Is this gaslighting in a vague way?

trulyconfuseddotcom · 23/03/2019 00:16

It's hard to know what to think because he genuinely seems to believe that I'm deliberately trying to set him up to pull him down. But I don't recognise that at all. I know that no one is perfect and we all are capable of behaving in ways we don't admit or recognise, but I don't think I'm purposely playing some kind of game or trying to mess with his mind. He's generally a nice person and I'm a woman who knows my own mind most of the time, so this kind of thing makes me doubt myself massively because we are having such entirely different experiences of the same event (or we would be if I knew what the event was!).

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Hidingtonothing · 23/03/2019 00:20

I'm not even going to try to work out his motivation/reasoning but this is how I would deal with it. I would clear the air in the morning with a general apology just to smooth things over and then I would say that you're more than happy to make changes if you're doing something that upsets him but that he must point them out when they actually happen. Impress on him that it's unreasonable to expect you to change behaviours when he can't give you any specific examples to illustrate what he means.

If there is a problem with your behaviour (spoiler, there isn't) you can address it there and then if he points it out but if there isn't he can't continue to throw things at you after the alleged event if he's agreed to mention it when it happens. It does sound like a bit of a red flag for gaslighting or at least trying to pick a fight but only you know how likely that is the context of your relationship. I wouldn't be letting him get away with vagueries like that though, he needs to name the problem or keep it to himself.

redastherose · 23/03/2019 00:59

I actually recognise this behaviour precisely. My ex used to do this. He would say I'd said something that had upset him, I'd say what had I said as I didn't remember saying anything. He would say I'd said something (which I had no recollection of saying at all) or that something I'd said had meant something else which upset him. He'd then sulk (sometimes for ages) and/or give me the silent treatment (occasionally for days) until I'd end up apologising for something that I either didn't say at all or for him implying that I meant something hurtful from a comment which really wasn't what he was making it out to be. He was a gaslighting bastard and I ended up not knowing which way was up with his mind fuckery!

Dutch1e · 23/03/2019 09:20

Is this gaslighting in a vague way?
Yes. He's basically saying "reach into my mind and find the problem that even I can't pinpoint, then solve it & apologise for it."

What a dick

trulyconfuseddotcom · 23/03/2019 09:30

Morning - just a quick update. He brought me a cup of tea in bed this morning and apologised for 'losing the plot' last night. We had a bit of a chat, he expressed that he found this repeated behaviour pattern frustrating, I expressed that I found having no idea what had happened last night really confusing and asked that, if it happens again, he mention it straight away at the time because it would be easier to discuss and sort out.

So am glad to report that we've made up and moved on. Thanks again for all the replies - and if I ever post a long post again, my paragraphs will be beautiful to behold.

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Namechanger4dis · 23/03/2019 09:36

See, I have been in OPs DHs position. I nearly ended my relationship over it.

It didn’t matter what I said DP would tell me I was wrong. It became exhausting and effected my self esteem.

When I told DP not to do it, much like you OP, he had no idea what I was talking about.

I started to pull him up on it every time. Eventually he understood and stopped.

It wasn’t necessarily the fact he was disagreeing with me. It was the way he did so in such a dismissive way.

Could this be the case for you OP?

trulyconfuseddotcom · 23/03/2019 09:54

Hi namechange4dis and thanks - last night I spent some time trying to imagine the situation in reverse to gain a different perspective and I totally see where you're coming from.

As a rule I do often spend quite a lot of time trying to 'consider the other', but of course I'm sure I don't get it right 100% of the time. I don't disagree with my DH all the time or just for the sake of it, but sometimes I will, of course, disagree with him on something and then it's ok to say that - just as he is also free to not agree with me all the time and tell me! We've been together for 7 years and we're allowed to have our own opinions and differ on stuff.

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Namechanger4dis · 23/03/2019 10:04

@trulyconfuseddotcom

It’s not that people aren’t allowed to have differences of opinion. Afterall, life would be boring without them.

But, it could be the nuance in how you say it.

I don’t know you so you may not do it. I’m just offering pointers as to what it might be.

FullOfJellyBeans · 23/03/2019 10:42

Perhaps your way of expressing yourself is dismissive of DH and makes him feel you don't respect him. I would ask him to point it out at the time if your style of debating upsets him.

FullOfJellyBeans · 23/03/2019 10:58

Aaaa a x post sounds like it's sorted op. You both sound nice!

GabriellaMontez · 23/03/2019 11:04

I'm glad you've sorted it this time.

But I think getting so upset over something that you said but he can't remember is fucking ridiculous. Let's face it it really can't have been that bad. Do you regularly get the silent treatment?

madcatladyforever · 23/03/2019 11:04

Sounds like work stress to mer getting to him and he's quibbling about petty crap to get it out of his system.
Watch that, the main reason my marriage broke up was work stress for both of us causing petty arguments, bickering and sundry nonsense.
I was being bullied my my manager and he was travelling very long hours.
He came over at the weekend as we are still friends and we discussed it calmly as we can now, we don't live together.
We both came to the conclusion that toxic work envirnments totally destroyed us and both of us wished we'd realised it and not split up.
This needs to be tackled calmly before it causes real damage.
Maybe discuss it another time when he is calm.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 23/03/2019 14:35

I'm glad you've made up and I'm also very glad that you've been able to tell him to stop you next time you do whatever it is that you do - I think, if he genuinely finds something that upsetting, that he really has to be clear about what it is, so you have a chance to do something about it. Otherwise it's just not fair.

expat101 · 23/03/2019 22:22

Awesome he made you a cup of tea this morning. A night of good sleep does wonders!

I hope he takes on board your request to point out the issue when it/if it occurs again.

However, I'm also of the mind that sometimes humans just seem to cross swords for no reason. I was having a joke with a friend on FB a couple of weeks ago, and up popped someone who took offence.

From there what seemed like every man and his dog had an opinion, so I deleted my post. It continued on for another 11 hours by people who had not seen the original post. I'm sure some just like to argue for the sake of it..!

AfterSchoolWorry · 23/03/2019 22:25

Hmm. Engineering an argument. That's what that is.

The question is.....why?

trulyconfuseddotcom · 24/03/2019 09:14

Thanks v much to all those who've responded - we've had a nice weekend with no issues, and hopefully we'll deal with this better the next time it rears its head, thanks to some of the advice I've had on here. Cheers!

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XiCi · 24/03/2019 09:44

If he was that upset I don't believe for one second that he did not remember the actual conversation. I imagine it would make him look so pathetic that he didn't want to relay it back to you. Glad he has apologised but I would be on guard for any further episodes of gaslighting and would pull him up immediately on them happening.

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