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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to not permit this grandparent relationship?

53 replies

emilyk1991 · 18/03/2019 14:10

My DH and I have been married for nearly 4 years and started trying for a baby at the start of the year. We were extremely lucky and I'm due in September with twins!! Shock

I'm an only child, both my parents are deceased. My DH is from a large family who live inthe south east, but he's always been a bit of a black sheep, in his words "not like the rest of my family", I've only met an uncle, aunt, his mum a few times plus been to a couple of family events in the last 4 years; we got married abroad so it was a tiny wedding of less than 10 close friends mostly. We don't live close enough to visit regularly (Manchester).

Here's the problem - his mum has had severe, sometimes-treated mental health issues for many years. She's not medicated currently AFAIK. She seems to be in spirals of getting sectioned, getting well enough to get discharged into "community housing", then getting into escalating trouble. We get calls, updates from his brother as her next of kin - sometimes she's threatened to kill her social workers, the next month it'll be that she's been arrested for being aggressive outside of a school to children, then she'll go back on her meds.. then get a police visit for sending hate mail to a neighbour who has left their bin out on the pavement for too long... some other stuff about harassing another neighbour came out (watching and making logs of when they arrive home/go out/aggressively blocking their visitors).. she's been cautioned for racial slurs against strangers and neighbours before, screaming in the middle of the street about them being terrorists, it's all so messy! She's also on some sort of watchlist at the local A&E because she turns up with minor complaints and abuses staff, one time she followed a nurse back to her car, and the police were called. Occasionally she gets given notice and has to move into alternative accommodation because neighbour complaints have been upheld - she normally lasts no longer than 18 months at one address, even when it's secure warden accommodation designed for mentally ill people. Bailiffs regularly appear to take goods that she's bought on credit and then stopped paying for. His dad is still around but they're separated, and doesn't really get involved with DH's mum aside from sometimes helping when she's been arrested/sectioned (e.g. feeding her pets, but that's about it).

My DH used to get involved in his mum's care, taking time off work to visit and help out, mediate with her carers, but it was taking a massive toll on his own mental wellbeing/finances (we can't afford for him to take emergency days off work to travel down, buy last minute train tickets etc). so about a year ago he stopped and pretty much withdrew from being involved with his mum at all.

My DH and I have had a long discussion about how to deal with our happy news and his family. We don't know if his mum will pull something odd like appearing at the hospital if she knows I'm in labour (I told him we don't have to tell his parents when it happens, we can tell them once we're out, don't worry). We don't know how to handle if she appears at our home - she's never visited.

My DH is now saying that he doesn't want our future DCs to have ANY relationship with his mum, in his words: "I don't want our children exposed to her influence, she's toxic". i'm mourning for my child having a healthy, beneficial grandparent relationship - there's going to be no one!

I've suggested we could agree to supervised, short (1hr) visits in a neutral location if we visit Brighton/his family in future, but he's saying he would prefer no contact. If his mum ever shows up where our DCs are, then to tell her directly that he doesn't think it's safe for them to be exposed to her, and ask her to leave.

AIBU to wonder what the right step here is? I'll support my DH 100% if this is his final decision but are we going to regret this? Is a broken grandparent relationship (closely supervised/monitored) better than nothing?

Sorry for this being so long Sad

OP posts:
Springwalk · 18/03/2019 15:01

My in laws have died, and my parents are not a good influence around my dc. I completely agree with your dh, it is far better for your dc to not have this in their lives.
I felt sad that my dc don’t have gp relationship, but they haven’t missed it, and seem entirely indifferent. We have lots of friends and we have my sister in law and family, we make the most of those relationships. My dc are loved to an inch of their lives by all of us. As long as they are surrounded by love then that is all that matters.
Let go of what you think your dc ‘should’ have, fairytales don’t exist in any family, and focus on what is healthy for them.
Give your dp full credit for having the emotional intelligence to break the toxic cycle and choose something better for his children

Spiritinabody · 18/03/2019 15:02

What an awful situation to be in.

I can understand your DH's position and I don't think your DC should be allowed around your MIL while she is unstable. They should never be left in her care or alone with her at any time in view of past threatening behaviour towards others.

I think your DH may be right and it would be easier to be NC.

However, I also think some family member(s) need to ensure MIL is safe and complying with treatment. She clearly has psychotic episodes comprising delusional behaviour so probably should be on anti-psychotic medication. If she forgets to take meds, the Community Mental Health team can arrange to go around each day to dispense it to her. However her behaviour suggests she gets released from hospital too soon.

It could be that her behaviour is how it is because she is not taking medication. If appropriately treated she could lead a normal life and be a delightful MIL and GM.

Chamomileteaplease · 18/03/2019 15:18

There is no way this woman would be able to be the kind of grandparent you would wish for your child.

Do not invite such stress, trauma and danger into your family's life!

hazell42 · 18/03/2019 15:55

I think it would be a terrible shame for your children (congraduations btw) not to have any relationship with their grandmother.
Not necessarily wrong, mind you, but a shame.

If it was me I think I would try to allow her some (definitely supervised) access to your children that would be withdrawn Instantly if you felt your mood was unstable.

Bringing new life into the world Is a time for joy and celebration. I would try to avoid the Inevitable drama that a ban would cause if you can possibly help it.

Though no one I suspect, would blame you if you didnt.

CMOTDibbler · 18/03/2019 16:07

My grandmother had very significant mental health problems, and was in and out of hospital on sections until she killed herself when I was 13. But my memories of her are very fond - my parents ensured we only ever saw her for short periods when she was well, and I can only remember being on my own with her once.
It wasn't a full on grandparent relationship, but I'm glad I knew her

ohfourfoxache · 18/03/2019 16:09

As sad as you are that your dc won’t have grandparents, it’s your dh’s call, not yours. I know that sounds harsh, but he’s the one who has grown up with this situation.

Grandparents are ONLY beneficial if they’re nice and relatively normal. Disruption and aggression are not good, and exposure will only do harm.

LilQueenie · 18/03/2019 16:14

Why did you ever think this person could be a good grandparent? Exposing a child to this is one of the worst things you could do.

Life isn't all roses and this is one of these times I'm afraid. Your dreams of grandparents just are not going to be. sorry.

ForalltheSaints · 18/03/2019 16:19

I think not initially, but at some point when they are older there should be some limited contact, when they are unable to understand that their grandmother is a person who is not well.

Very sad though that your DC will not be able to have the love and support that a grandparent can bring.

Happynow001 · 18/03/2019 16:28

Your DH knows her better than you. He knows how she is close up (eg when he was with her sorting out her affairs and coming back to you mentally and physically exhausted) so I think you really should listen to him and set aside the well meaning hopes you have if your MIL being any kind of positive, loving or consistently good relationship with your babies I'm afraid - sounds like she will just get worse as she gets older.

Peanutbutterforever · 18/03/2019 16:35

Listen to your DH.

He has a lifetime of experience with this person, let him call it.

ohmydaysagain · 18/03/2019 16:42

What about his dad? Surely that is one grandparent relationship? Is it only his mum he doesn't want to be involved?

CaseofEllen · 18/03/2019 17:02

I think you've got to support DH on this one. If he is sure of his decision - it would be unfair/confusing on everyone involved it he changed his mind years down the road (unless his mum completely changes it around).

emilyk1991 · 18/03/2019 17:15

thank you, everyone - i really appreciate the impartial advice/input on this.
i've decided to leave it as DH has suggested, and support his decision on it - i've let him know that, and if he ever wants to re-open the discussion when the babies are here/we're further down the road, i've let him know we can. but for now MIL won't be permitted to be around/introduced to/spend time with future DCs.

OP posts:
justmyview · 18/03/2019 17:15

Here are my thoughts -

  • I feel compassion for the MIL who suffers from severe mental health problems. Her life sounds very difficult
  • your priority is to ensure your child's safety
  • brief, limited, supervised visits, on occasions when MIL is well enough, would likely help your child's understanding of their family history / identity
  • if your child grows up knowing they have a DGM who they're not allowed to see because she's so ill, this could be frightening for a child. They could fear the worst, and imagine something even worse than the reality. I think better to have occasional meetings, and explain that MIL isn't well enough to meet more often and finds day to day life difficult. Children can surprise us with their tolerance and understanding
justmyview · 18/03/2019 17:16

My grandmother had very significant mental health problems, and was in and out of hospital on sections until she killed herself when I was 13. But my memories of her are very fond - my parents ensured we only ever saw her for short periods when she was well, and I can only remember being on my own with her once. It wasn't a full on grandparent relationship, but I'm glad I knew her

@CMOTDibbler has first hand experience of what I was trying to say

Drum2018 · 18/03/2019 17:27

Not sure why you would even consider contact if your Dh said he doesn't want any. I wouldn't even bother telling her you are pregnant. Your Dh has made a decision regarding his relationship with his mother - a very brave move in order to keep his own sanity. It's not for you to alter that and decide his mother should be involved in his life again. He's 100% right not to want to expose your children to her toxic behaviour.

Singlenotsingle · 18/03/2019 17:38

Like everyone else, I agree with DH. Just seeing her involves a great toll on his own MH and he just doesn't want this for his dc. Tbh, I had no family when I was a kid. No grandparents, uncles or aunts. C'est la vie! You don't miss what you've never had.

ShabbyAbby · 18/03/2019 17:43

I think you need to support your DH. Regardless of what you think, it's not your place to make this decision it's his.
Some people will accept anything from people just because they are family, and the majority of people will take considerably more from them than anybody else. Going NC is never taken lightly, and this sounds like extenuating circumstances and like your DH has reached his limit.

Ihuntmonsters · 18/03/2019 17:48

Putting the potential risks and benefits to your babies to one side completely I would focus on your dh OP and remember that contact with his mum was taking a massive toll on his own mental wellbeing. Your children can't have a grandparent relationship with your dh's mum without him having to have a son's relationship and he has decided that is too difficult to sustain (and from what you have posted that was the right decision for him). Support him and let your dreams of 'normal' extended family life go.

We emigrated a continent away from our extended families and I do regret the loss for my children but we have found friends who fit into the family role in our new country, it sounds horribly cheesy but you don't need a blood connection for love to grow.

Bronze · 18/03/2019 17:58

She's know to social services. She's known to be abusive towards children (outside schools shouting at kids) & you've been warned about all of this yet you're considering giving her access? 3 words 'failure to protect'. Be very, very careful.

LilQueenie · 18/03/2019 18:12

As Bronze said be very careful here. Dps brother got arrested. I had ss at my door as they had linked names and address. They were worried for dds wellbeing. we have no contact as he has the same issues as your mil. yet ss still tracked us down to check.

RhymingRabbit · 18/03/2019 18:38

I agree that you have to support your husband in this due to the negative impact a relationship with her has had on his mental health. A mentally healthy dad is far more important than a grandparent relationship.

However, I also agree that (in general) it is not terrible for children to grow up knowing that other people have serious problems with their health which makes them act differently. It teaches them compassion and empathy.

lyralalala · 18/03/2019 18:46

Please don’t try and force your husbands hand on this. He knows his mother better than you do, he knows what he went through growing up.

A poor relationship isn’t always better than no relationship. She is not going to be the grandparent you are wishing your child to have.

Your husbands relationship with his mother was affecting his mental health so much he chose to step away, any step which forces him to have unwanted contact with her would be absolutely and utterly unreasonable.

lyralalala · 18/03/2019 18:47

However, I also agree that (in general) it is not terrible for children to grow up knowing that other people have serious problems with their health which makes them act differently. It teaches them compassion and empathy.

You can teach your children that without exposing them, or their father, to the danger the OP’s mother shows.

It also helps to teach them that as well as being compassionate it is ok to protect yourself and your own health.

Grumpelstilskin · 18/03/2019 18:49

Glad you decided to acceptyour DH's wishes. Otherwise, you're opening a can of worms if you attempt limited contact. Given her history how could you be sure that she will actually respect that and not turn up in the grip of complete mania. You will have your hands full without this added drama!