To feel upset/ unnerved by the advert that just aired on More 4 channel?

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I've just seen an advert for So Clean C-pap hose/mask cleaner. It just feels really jarring that this would be on a mainstream advert slot. My nephew is severely physically disabled and uses a breathing support machine at night, so it's not the machine that has 'upset' me for want of a different word. It was more that I know CPap machines are used by people with weight related airway obstruction at night. I feel sad that this is becoming so mainstream that such things need to be advertised. I'm not judging those who need to use them, but I think it's sad we aren't finding ways to help people with difficulties with their weight, be it over or under eating disorders. I am mid forties and it just seemed like such a big change and so normalised, IYSWIM?

£250! Woah.

I think, as others said, it’s the cleaner that is advertised, not the machine itself. Setting up the machine has to be done by medical professionals to get the pressure right, I think.

I know that nancy - as I said, my low weight Nephew has always used one! but they were never advertised and neither were there maintanced products, so there must be a significnt increase in the market and we know obesity (a recognised cause) is increasing.

It has been a couple of days since we had a 'It's disturbing how being overweight is being totally normalised' thread

I would imagine Diagnosis of sleep apnoea is also increasing, even in people that are slim. Maybe because doctors have started taking it seriously instead of just saying we all get tired ...

Why are you reading another then, Hosta?

Skinny people have sleep apnoea too OP and need cpap machines too OP. Just a thought. As far as I know CF sufferers use them, people with copd use them, emphysema, all sorts. And because people with money buy higher-end equipment than the NHS provides, they also require services and equipment such as those offered on the advert you are so disturbed by 🙄

But yes... Lets make it about fat people.

Why are you reading another then, Hosta?

Well perhaps because I'm not psychic and the title To feel upset/ unnerved by the advert that just aired on More 4 channel? gives absolutely no indication of the content? I thought there might have been a genuinely disturbing advert - sounded quite interesting!

I suppose they feel a bit overly emotive and even though you think you're only doing it generally, you're associating people who are overweight with those words. Just feels a bit off to me.

Given that treatment for sleep apnoea can help overweight people lose weight isn’t advertising stuff to help them a good thing?

I think that's it op, like Hosta I was expecting something genuinely horrific for TV so when I saw what it actually was I was a bit

I get upset over horrible animal abuse videos that my FB 'friends' share, hearing fast footsteps walking behind me at night unnerves me, a machine/cleaner to help with sleep problems that might be related to weight in some cases does of those things.

Or the reason you see more of these things advertised could be because people can’t get them through the NHS anymore? My friend has s child with SA among other things and has resorted being equipment because the NHS stuff is sub par, or flat out not available, I buy my own medical supplies for much the same reason.

Buying* not being...

OP you aren’t addressing any of the points pp have made regarding non-overweight people requiring CPAP machines. Apart from reference to your nephew.

Perhaps there are other reasons for increase in CPAP usage? Better diagnosis? Recognition of impact on a wider range of illnesses? Advances in CPAP technology which means it is easier and better for people to use at home rather than only in a hospital setting?

That’s what the creator of the CPAP thinks. www.sleepfoundation.org/articles/past-present-and-future-cpap

Or is it because people are getting fat, like you think.

This is why people are calling you judgemental.

It was more that I know CPap machines are used by people with weight related airway obstruction at night. I feel sad that this is becoming so mainstream that such things need to be advertised.

Whether your DN uses one or not YABU to jump to the conclusion that we need to tackle obesity because they are advertising CPAP You cant excuse a judgement by saying I'm not judging, but....

You fail to consider progress in diagnosing sleep apnoea in people whether obese or not, nor the increasing recognition that CPAP can help other other sleep related illness, but primarily you miss the point that private companies have jumped on the bandwagon, hence the adverts.

The NHS will generally provide a basic machine, however private companies will promote better machines, masks, accessories etc and these are a tempting alternative to users as CPAP is so uncomfortable.

Quite a lot of products you can buy are better than the ones prescribed on the NHS. I’ve bought various Splints, braces, types of CAM walker boots because the NHS ones were so uncomfortable /not designed in a way that helped me. You don’t see adverts for splints, braces, dressings (other than plasters and physio tape) though. I wonder why there is a need for people to buy things to clean CPAP machines? Are the ones that the NHS provide not good?

Sorry I cross posted with a few and what @nancy75 says is so true.

but they were never advertised and neither were there maintanced products, so there must be a significnt increase in the market and we know obesity (a recognised cause) is increasing

Correlation!=Causation. In this case you are assuming even the correlation.

TVs are also larger, during this time, perhaps large TVs cause sleep apnoea?

Or perhaps, its only been taken seriously and treated in recent years. Certainly the smaller, home based and (relatively) lower cost machines on the NHS are a more recent phenomenon.

Hey! My dad has a CPAP machine - he's not fat, he's just always been an extreme snorer, and was getting sleep apnoea.

It's nothing to be upset or unnerved by.

Meh. I saw the advert a few weeks ago and it inspired me to find a cheaper alternative steriliser, after 7 years of not realising you could sterilise them 🙈

I have severe OSA and anything that keeps me alive and hygienic is fine by me.

A few years ago getting a gp to send you to a sleep clinic was less likely than winning the lottery - I diagnosed my boss with the help of google!
For years the gp had fobbed him off, it’s just stress, everyone gets tired, you probably drink too much, it’s anxiety. He only got a referral when he went in with stuff printed from the internet.
It’s a very real condition that can be hugely debilitating & hopefully the rise in people using the machines means more gps are recognising the condition

You can have something called tracheobronchomalacia and need a cpap machine for sleeping. Also some ppl have a dreadful airway at night , l am thinking of someone with chronic asthma and another person l know who has scoliosis .

I really don't get people saying I'm having a pop at 'fat people'. I'm not, I said in my OP, that I know they are used by people with other issues -- again my nephew, who is low weight and I also said: 'I think it's sad we aren't finding ways to help people with difficulties with their weight, be it over or under eating disorders.' I have not said anything derogatory about people with weight issues and acknowledged that being under weight is an issue too.

None of the patients obese in any of the cases l have mentioned.

Sleep apnea and obesity are linked but not in the way you seem to think. It's a cycle where they both make the other one worse. Sleep apnea causes fatigue which leads to less activity, which leads to weight gain, which makes the apnea worse, which makes the fatigue worse, so even less activity and even more weight gain, and on and on.

It's also extremely hard to get the symptoms of apnea taken seriously until it reaches crisis point. I've been complaining to my gp about what I now know are the symptoms for 20 years but I was only diagnosed with severe sleep apnea 3 weeks ago. I was slim when they first started but as the fatigue has taken hold I've gone up in weight quite substantially. But then who here would continue cycling to work, going to dance classes, hiking up mountains etc if they were being woken up in excess of 200 times a night? Most days I can barely make it out of bed.