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To be fed up of palm oil in everything

67 replies

clairemcnam · 10/03/2019 19:37

I wanted to buy chocolate to eat this evening in front of the telly. Not posh chocolate, just your average bar of chocolate. And everything I looked at had palm oil in it. Just so annoyed.

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clairemcnam · 10/03/2019 20:23

hazeyjane The article you posted criticises Greenpeace for these points.

  • It implies that the oil palm industry is the biggest cause of deforestation anywhere in the world. It is NOT. Not by a long chalk.
  • It implies that tens of thousands of orangutans are still being killed in Indonesia and Malaysia every year because of oil palm developments. They are NOT.
  • It implies that all palm oil, whatever it’s being used for and whoever produces it, is responsible for the death of thousands of orangutans. It is NOT.
  • It implies that responsible consumers will inevitably have to take their share of responsibility for the death of orangutans as a consequence of purchasing products which contain palm oil. They do NOT.

And I agree, not all deforestation for palm oil causes the death or orangutans. But so what. Deforestation is still bad and other animals matter apart from orangutans. And palm oil tastes disgusting. Oily and waxy.

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clairemcnam · 10/03/2019 20:25

And even the Lindt bars have palm oil in them!

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clairemcnam · 10/03/2019 20:26

Forgit about co-op chocolate. Will get some tomorrow, thanks.

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nanbread · 10/03/2019 20:29

YABU, have just gone through my cupboards and I can't find anything with it in! And I don't go out of my way to avoid it.

The only thing I've found it in that I eat regularly is oat cakes, but I recently discovered the Rude Health ones don't have it in (and are delicious and worth the extra £). I know it used to be in peanut butter but so many don't have it these days including the one I like.

I only eat dark chocolate though...

clairemcnam · 10/03/2019 20:31

Fair enough. I was talking about different types of chocolate and chocolate biscuits really.

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DuchessOfPhysics · 10/03/2019 20:31

gu chocolate spread? i haven't heard of that one but I"ll look out for it.

nanbread · 10/03/2019 20:31

Bet there's loads of it in my makeup bag though. But I'm on a make up buying ban so won't be getting any more!

Whoopsies · 10/03/2019 20:33

I'm currently eating a bar of Milka chocolate that I picked up in home bargains. Doesn't seem to have any palm oil in!!

JuniperBeer · 10/03/2019 20:33

Millions and millions of pounds go into making ads.
Iceland knew exactly what they were doing and it wasn’t just them behind the ad. The whole point was to get it “banned”

Yes palm oil is bad. But Iceland should not be held up as the gold standard of an ethical company. They didn’t just remove palm oil out of their own products, they just stopped stocking them.

hazeyjane · 10/03/2019 20:35

It was these bits of the article that seemed to add more complexity to the palm oil discussion.

1. By any measure you choose to adopt, more deforestation today is caused today by beef, by soy, and by maize, than by palm oil. Especially beef, which is responsible for 80% of deforestation across the Amazon, and 65% of total deforestation
2. Boycotting palm oil is purposeless, as has been recently acknowledged by the International Union for Conservation of Nature–in that the world will still need cooking oils, and all the substitutes will cause more damage than palm oil does.
3. The reason for that is simple: palm oil provides 35% of global edible oils – and yet takes up only 10% of the total global acreage devoted to edible oils. It is so much more efficient than sunflower or rapeseed oil, let alone soybean oil, which is itself a massive driver of deforestation throughout South America.
4. The RSPO has just incorporated strict ‘no deforestation criteria’ into its basic Principles & Criteria – so there is nownoexcuse to go on arguing that RSPO certification does not help reduce deforestation.

Obviously Jonathon Porritt is involved in trying to make palm oil businesses more sustainable....so could be biased, but he is fairly open about this,

At which point, I have to make a declaration of personal and professional interest.In the first place, Forum for the Future does a lot of work with the oil palm industry, for which we are paid. Our most important project is based in Indonesia, where we’re working with five large palm oil companies, as well as a wide range of NGOs and international organisations, to address complex labour rights challenges within the sector.

But this is also personal. I act as the Independent Sustainability Advisor, on behalf of Forum for the Future, to Sime Darby Plantation, the largest producer of certified palm oil in the world. I’ve watched Sime Darby in particular, together with other big players in the industry, incrementally get its house in order, in order to be able to sell genuinely sustainable palm oil in Europe and elsewhere, as certified by the Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil.

None of these companies is perfect. Indeed, I remain a fierce critic of just how long it has taken to sort out some of the legacy issues. There are still far too many laggards in the industry, and a lot of environmental damage is still being done. But to go on vilifying and demonising such a critically important industry, which continues to move forward on challenges like deforestation and better working conditions,makes no sense whatsoever

SingaSong12 · 10/03/2019 20:36

I was really disappointed by Iceland. They had really nice palm oil free chocolate for a short time but stopped.

Maybe the problem is we expect certain foods like chocolate to be cheap.

If raw ingredients go up then manufacturers/shops will absorb some of the costs or get round it by using cheaper palm oil ormaking products smaller, rather than raise the price.

Found this list on Ethical consumer website of palm oil free products

www.ethicalconsumer.org/palm-oil-free-list

MigGril · 10/03/2019 20:38

Tesco chocolate doesn't have any in. In fact when I bought a bar, I thought that's what's cadburys used to taste like. I don't understand why the cheaper chocolate don't have it in but all the brand names seem to have added it?

internetpersonme · 10/03/2019 20:39

YANBU

Foul tasting and terrible for wildlife.

Apparently if you eat too much it comes out of you too quick too.

SingaSong12 · 10/03/2019 20:40

The list on Ethical consumer also has responsibly sourced palm oil products

clairemcnam · 10/03/2019 20:41

Greenpeace says that whatever the RSPO claim, that some of the palm oil they certify has been produced through deforestation.

But whatever the environmental issues, palm oil in chocolate is rank.

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clairemcnam · 10/03/2019 20:43

This is decent science backed research which outlines that there is no such thing as sustainable palm oil, and that it does contribute to the decline in orangutans.

www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-06-16/orangutan-video-comes-as-sustainable-palm-oil-questioned/9811642

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BikeRunSki · 10/03/2019 20:43

Can anybody recommend a nice chocolate spread without palm oil?

This is my mission. I got Sweet Freedom choc spread from Tesco recentjy - PO free - and dd (10) loves it. It’s very chocolatety, not super sweet, not nutty.

Auramigraine · 10/03/2019 20:45

YANBU

I hate it, I was bought a tub of Cadbury’s hero’s not long ago and actually thought they were out of date because they tasted so vile!! But nope it was the palm oil.....

I now only buy moser roth chocolate from Aldi for me and a treat for DC as it doesn’t contain it and is lovely creamy chocolate

clairemcnam · 10/03/2019 20:45

Miggril Thank you! Will go to Tesco. I loved cadburys chocolate as it used to be.

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nomorespaghetti · 10/03/2019 20:49

Divine chocolate! You can get it at the Oxfam shop. It's delicious. Fairtrade too

Longdistance · 10/03/2019 20:49

Nutella has a shit tonne of palm oil in it.
Gravy granules have pal oil in them. The one I buy is Bisto pork gravy.

lunabody · 10/03/2019 20:54

I work in environmental science - oil palm plants are the most productive for the amount of land they use. The way we currently produce food and healthcare products, vegetable oils are needed, and palm is the most efficient in terms of space. Yes, it has caused devastation, but replacing it with other oils would be worse.

Particular causes get picked up and pushed very effectively, but the truth is there are a multitude of issues which need our attention, and to go hardline on one is to miss the scale of the overall destruction of our planet, and the systems which enable it. So yes, reduce palm oil, reduce plastic, but also reduce your energy use, the amount you wash clothes, don't drive, don't eat meat, don't replace your phone every two years, don't buy throwaway fashion, don't fly, don't buy food that's flown from far away.

Or - do what you can, buy as sustainably as you can afford, recycle, and campaign to change supply chains and consumption habits. The only answer is to consume less.

DuchessOfPhysics · 10/03/2019 20:55

Tesco chocolate spread does have palm oil as well.
I guess that figures though, the softer consistency of it.

I tried a chocolate spread with coconut cream in it instead of palm oil. It was disgusting though. I am in Ireland and I see tesco.ie doesn't have gu chocolate spread. Will try holland and barrett

clairemcnam · 10/03/2019 20:57

luna I already reduce, recycle and reuse. But food is different.

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DuchessOfPhysics · 10/03/2019 21:00

I'll look out for sweet freedom chocolate spread in the health food shops as well. The hardship of testing two new chocolate spreads!!

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