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To think that letters home from school should not be hopping with typos, misused words and bad grammar?

136 replies

ReanimatedSGB · 06/03/2019 15:27

I was annoyed enough with the Momo letter anyway (yeah, thanks for including a picture of the fucking thing, DS had nightmares) but it's riddled with bad grammar and spelling errors. Now the school newsletter announces that 'Exam's' will be starting next month.

AIBU to email them a notice of my hourly rates for proofreading?

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ineedteanownotlater · 06/03/2019 19:33

Ivykaty44
I am a school administrator, I am paid quite highly in terms of a school administrator. I earn no where near that. In fact just over half.

WordsFailMeAgain · 06/03/2019 19:37

I’m a school secretary. I have a degree in English. My newsletters are perfect.

In fact, I often have to correct the teachers’ work.

Muddlingalongalone · 06/03/2019 19:40

This drives me mad, although I do think it's generally possible to distinguish between a typo and an actual error.
I regularly underline & highlight errors on the daily homework sheets we get home. Tbh this is mostly because I don't see the point of them & if the school are going to inflict them on the children they should at lease ensure the questions can be understood. It is the teacher or the assistant head writing them, both of whom are responsible for teaching my child grammar!

Muddlingalongalone · 06/03/2019 19:41

*least ffs. isn't it ironic, don't you think

twattymctwatterson · 06/03/2019 19:44

I've looked at a few school secretary jobs recently because I fancied having more time with my dd. The going rate for a primary school secretary is about £10k. I doubt I'd be arsed with my apostrophe placement if I was earning 10k.

twattymctwatterson · 06/03/2019 19:45

There was also a thread recently about how admin wasn't a skilled job and people who work in admin shouldn't expect to be paid more than those in retail (eg minimum wage). We can't have it all ways.

StitchingMoss · 06/03/2019 19:47

I’m a teacher and totally agree with you OP. Thankfully the administrator and HT I work with now are sticklers for grammar and nothing goes out incorrect, but some of my colleagues’ spelling and grammar is dire Confused. I’m always mortified by basic errors from teachers who are supposed to be teaching the basics!

FrancisCrawford · 06/03/2019 19:48

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Iggi999 · 06/03/2019 19:51

I don’t understand the comic sans hate. It is dyslexia friendly and on all computers. Is it just out of fashion or is there an actual reason? There is much vitriol towards it in (some) schools too.

Tillyscoutsmum · 06/03/2019 19:52

My school has been sending home weekly spelling sheets for years entitled "Spelling Practise". There are then opportunities to practise them with the headings, Practise 1. Practise 2. etc. 🤦‍♀️

I pointed it out when I joined but think I've been labelled as being pedantic and there are still colleagues who refuse to correct the spelling Confused

Iggi999 · 06/03/2019 19:52

Stitchingmoss I’m not 100%, but should that not be incorrectly ?

SosigisAndCornflourSauce · 06/03/2019 19:53

I have corrected school letters in the past with an attached note 'please correct and re-send'.

Oh and how we would laugh at you in the staff room!

Dicky SPaG gets right in my tits, there is no excuse in a school ... but, really? some of these comments are hilarious 😂

BBCK · 06/03/2019 19:58

As a teacher, I have sat through numerous presentations on the importance of literacy in GCSE’s 😂😂😂😂. I have wanted to SCREAM.

Musmerian · 06/03/2019 19:58

The shortening apostrophe only works at the beginning of the word e.g. ‘bus short for autobus etc.

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YourSarcasmIsDripping · 06/03/2019 20:06

passion GrinGrin

I mean I like apostrophes and I'm proud if my SPaG skills but I wouldn't say I have a passion for them.

WatcherintheRye · 06/03/2019 20:15

Haha! Love the way posts are being scanned for errors, and the content disregarded!

Jinglejanglefish · 06/03/2019 20:23

*I’m a school secretary. I have a degree in English. My newsletters are perfect.

In fact, I often have to correct the teachers’ work.*

Same, although my degree is in History. Some of the stuff the teachers send me is awful, it’s not my job to proofread but I would be embarrassed to send it out.

Our finance assistant has a degree in maths, and our school business manager is a former lawyer. It’s a shame how many people think we are all uneducated because we work in a school and aren’t teachers!

GabrielleNelson · 06/03/2019 20:23

It's interesting to see people claiming that being able to spell, punctuate and write grammatically is a higher level skill and nobody paid below average wage would be expected to do it. This is absolutely not how things used to be. Anybody who had a job that involved writing was expected to be able to write more or less faultless standard English.

Of course, what we're all skirting around is that until very recently there were huge numbers of unskilled jobs which could be done by people who were functionally, if not fully, illiterate. That disguised how common it was.

And now we're in a position where almost all jobs require English and Maths GCSE as a minimum, which gives the impression that literacy standards must be much higher. They aren't. For two generations most children have not been taught the basics. They've learned a good many other things instead, but when it comes to the basics many have been shortchanged.

greenelephantscarf · 06/03/2019 20:37

...phonics have a lot to answer for...

Piewife · 06/03/2019 20:57

When we were looking at primary schools for DC, I noticed incorrect use of an apostrophe on a noticeboard at a school (I can't remember exactly what, but it was at the top in large letters and very obvious) and it put me right off sending them there.

Anybody responsible for teaching children how to read and write should absolutely have a decent grasp of spelling and grammar. As for office staff writing newsletters etc., if they are consistently producing documents full of errors then they should at least get someone to proofread things for them before sending them out. In any case, I don't see why it's unreasonable to expect their spelling and grammar to be good just because they're not highly paid.

MitziK · 06/03/2019 21:47

@FrancesCrawford, State Funded schools use, for want of a better word, templates detailing the skills required of Support Staff in Education (and other departments) for recruitment, assessment, appraisal and setting the appropriate levels on the pay scales.

If somebody fulfils the required competency level at appraisal, they are doing what is required of the role (and there is no leeway for recognising people being more capable/having higher level skills - it's a Yes/No or Achieved/Not achieved situation, so there is no way to get paid more in that job if you are capable of more than the standards).

School Reception/Admin is generally classed as a Grade 2 position - those skills are of the kind I have already listed - being able to write a To Do List and write down a telephone message are genuine achievement levels a Grade 2 postholder is required to have. There is no requirement for perfect writing, no requirement for Numeracy, no requirement for using Excel, Word or anything more than possibly being able to operate a photocopier with training.

This doesn't mean that all Reception staff have only those basic skills, but it's all that's required to meet the specification - somebody just meeting it is more likely to accept the miserable pay because they aren't in the position to pick and choose in the way somebody with better qualifications/skills might, as they could get a job that paid better and required a higher level of skills.

A rough analogy would be;

I'm running a clothes shop. I want people to think it's a desirable brand when passing (and probably get some online presence), so I've decided I want somebody young and pretty to stand outside the entrance.

I don't need them to do anything but look young and pretty.

If I expected them to do the accounts as well, I'd have to look for a qualified accountant who was pretty and didn't see the main part of the job as demeaning - and they'd probably expect to be paid more. But I don't. I just want a human mannequin.

As such, if I recruit the prettiest applicant that accepts the rate I'm offering, I'm not bothered about their examination results.

It doesn't matter to me whether they turned up for their GCSE exams or gave up after failing to get their Bronze Swimming Certificate. And if, because I'm a pisstaking shitbag keen to keep staffing costs down, I get them to stick a few boxes of shoes on the shelves when it's raining to save paying somebody else, it's not a disaster if they mix up the reds and the greens. I'm not paying them to be smart/well educated/not colourblind, I'm paying them to be pretty It might annoy a few punters, it irritates me a bit, but I'm paying peanuts and don't want to be doing the shoes myself.

Linguaphile · 06/03/2019 22:24

Anybody responsible for teaching children how to read and write should absolutely have a decent grasp of spelling and grammar.

I could not agree more.

SIL is a primary school teacher, and her spelling, grammar and punctuation are shockingly bad... quite possibly the worst I have ever encountered outside of the internet. I often wonder (usually after receiving an email or text from her) what her pupils’ parents must think when they bring home letters from school. I confess I wouldn’t be happy if she was the person meant to be teaching my children. Blush

TheNoodlesIncident · 06/03/2019 22:30

the childrens’ “draws” would have to be emptied

Is that a direct quotation? Because I wouldn't have put an apostrophe after childrens either, I would have put children's.

I was employed as a receptionist doing admin support on £8,100 per annum. I pointed out to my boss that within our email footer, "its" possessive erroneously had an apostrophe. He replied crisply that it ought to have an apostrophe, and he was educated in a private school so knew better than me. I left it at that, never mentioned it again and noticed a few days later that the apostrophe had been removed...

I don't think you can say that only people on high salaries are competent with SPaG, salary is not commensurate with caring about getting it right.

Someone on here quoted some text of mine, and changed its (possessive) to it's and it's (contraction) to its. I was vexed that somebody saw fit to "correct" me and they were wrong and made sure that if I ever quote anyone, I won't change what they've put, even if there's typos in it.