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WIBU?- Roadside shrines

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Arnoldthecat · 03/03/2019 08:13

This is more of a ..would i be unreasonable....to not want a roadside shrine directly outside my house/garden gate/in close proximity..?

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ElloBrian · 03/03/2019 10:41

There’s one on my (very quiet suburban residential) road. Some bloke dropped dead on the pavement of a heart attack. Very sad but not that unusual. But now apparently we have to have an entire florist’s shop pinned to the nearest tree and refreshed monthly. At first I didn’t mind it as I had assumed it was a one-off while his family were in the early stages of grieving. But it’s been a couple of years now and they show no sign of stopping. It’s a bit irritating but we local residents wouldn’t know how to go about contacting the relatives to ask them to stop, even if we thought it was a good idea to do that (which it probably isn’t). He didn’t live on this street and neither do his relatives btw. If you’re reading this and it sounds like you - I’m very sorry for your loss but could you please stop now?

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Arnoldthecat · 03/03/2019 10:42

Removal of shrines-well of course this is sensitive. If the deceased belongs to a big family and they are a rough bunch with form,are you suffering the shrine piled against your house under duress? Do you have to succumb to chanting hordes on your doorstep for weeks or people drilling holes in your property to hang adornments and banners?

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Arnoldthecat · 03/03/2019 10:46

There is another i know of about 2 miles from me. Some years ago,it seems like more than 5, a bunch of teenagers crashed a stolen car into a tree at a crossroads and one or more died. Trees just dont move. Anyway there is almost a permanent shrine presence there,regularly maintained, tea lights regularly serviced etc.

I guess the issues are scale, proximity and duration. If some flowers are laid in an open space i.e park, verge,roadside its not much of an issue. If you come home to find a branch of interflora piled outside your home then it is.

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Serin · 03/03/2019 10:46

There is one very near my Mums that is going to cause a RTA. It is on a busy road and totally blocks the pavement, forcing pedestrians into the road to pass it.
At night it is used as a gathering spot for the deceased friends, who sit on the garden walls of the houses. Having a few beers and playing music.
There are banners as well proclaiming revenge and retribution, (was a murder). Its quite threatening for the elderly residents.

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limitedperiodonly · 03/03/2019 10:46

When my dad died, it was very important to my mum to choose the right spot in the cemetery.

She chose a place next to a 19-year-old who had been killed in a car accident and had just been buried. Her reasoning was that my dad liked young people and she thought they would get on rather than my dad being among old people. It brought her comfort.

There were a few things around the grave at the time.

It was December, and because there's a spike in deaths in winter, we couldn't hold the funeral for three weeks. Thank God. In that time the boy's grave turned into what the previous poster accurately termed a 'cellotaph'.

She put him with the old people. That was in 1990 and she's with him now. It's a nicer spot - further up the hill with a view and all the neighbours get on.

I can't go there much because I don't live nearby any more. But when I do, I pass the tacky shrine of plastic tat, wilted balloons, sodden teddies and burned out tea lights, which is still there and spreads onto the graves on either side. It's clear that the boy's mourners trample over what would have been my mum and dad's grave in order to lay their crappy tributes in disrespect of the other person and their family's memories and grief.

I suspect that asking them not to trample on other graves would not be a nice experience. I'd be up for that, but why should I? And why should others, who may not be as combative as me, have to put up with their blatant disrespect of anyone else?

It would also upset me to think that these people were despoiling my parents' resting place when I'm not there to defend their peace.

What makes me really angry is when people tell me to suck it up because these people are grieving. Well, what do you think I'm doing?

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viques · 03/03/2019 10:47

I was shocked a year or so back when I finally got to visit the Angel of the North. I hadn't expected that a little grove of trees on the site would be disfigured by dead garage flowers mummified in plastic and teddies left so long they had been decapitated by the weather. It was really grim, and clear that the majority of the " tributes" had been left by grief ghouls.

Why make such a show of your grief if you then can't be arsed to continue to respect the persons memory by keeping the shrine fresh and tidy by taking away the dead flowers, disposing of the rotting teddies and picking up the rubbish around the shrine?

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ChodeofChodeHall · 03/03/2019 10:51

What cocks me off most is flowers left with the cellophane wrapping attached. Just take off the cellophane and put down the flowers. They will do as nature intended and become one with the ground. Cellophane is awful, an eyesore, a danger to wildlife and just unnecessary.

You're right, and I'm sure no-one would bat an eyelid at these if they were just flowers. It's the awful, cheap, sad tackiness of the cellophane, hanging around uselessly for years, that makes them so awful.

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ScrollPastBadStuff · 03/03/2019 10:51

It does need to stop. Why did it start? Does anyone know?

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PrawnOfCreation · 03/03/2019 10:53

@Dontletthebastardsgrindyoudown because she's a toddler and although there are exceptions they tend not to have the understanding and emotional maturity to deal with issues such as unexpected death in the home.

Having seen older children through the loss of close family members I'm very wary of half explanations like the one you gave as quite often gaps are filled by the child causing issues. A full explanation isn't appropriate here, it wasn't an RTA, it was a stabbing in the mans own home. I don't want to leave her with a half story of a man dying at home, I also don't want her worrying that in the same street she lives someone was stabbed in their living room.

Might sound precious to you but I'm happy for my toddler to have a few more years of blissful ignorance. Knowing the truth here serves her not at all. And the flowers are an eyesore.

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Takethebuscuitandthesink · 03/03/2019 10:55

YABU someone loved that person and wants to honour there memory you will add a huge layer of stress and it really isn’t any skin of your nose

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LaMarschallin · 03/03/2019 10:55

How do people feel about things like the 911 memorial in the footprints of the World Trade Center? Or is that ok because lots of people tragically died?



Come on, you know this one. Just try.

Exactly, ChodepfChodehall

Piggywaspushed I wonder if I've met you on another message board. Your style is familiar.

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Piggywaspushed · 03/03/2019 10:57

Not sure what you are implying or what you mean about my style.

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wizzywig · 03/03/2019 10:58

Sorry but what are those shrine pictures? Ive never seen them before. I only see flowers, teddy bears and balloons tied to lampposts

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Mari50 · 03/03/2019 10:58

There are a few of these on my commute, I’m fairly ambivalent about them, mainly because they are quite subtle. I actually found it quite poignant that after a decade or so they stopped the flowers/scarves whatever.
They are a mawkish distraction though and no doubt stem from the Diana demonstrations..... alternatively they can sometime serve as a reminder at an accident black spot I suppose....

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twoheaped · 03/03/2019 10:59

My BiL killed someone on an unlit country road. It was absolutely not his fault, at the inquest the man's family apologised for the actions of the deceased, who put other lives in danger.
A shrine was set up for the deceased but it was in the wrong place, it used to bother my BiL that it wasn't where the man died.

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ScreamingValenta · 03/03/2019 10:59

If they bring some comfort to the bereaved, it's petty to complain about their lack of aesthetic appeal. It's for those closest to the deceased to decide if it's the sort of tribute they want.

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Piggywaspushed · 03/03/2019 10:59

Not only is your language very loaded OP ( eg chanting hordes) but the examples you give are very extreme. Most roadside shrines are nothing like you describe.

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IceRebel · 03/03/2019 10:59

YABU someone loved that person and wants to honour there memory

No one is saying they shouldn't honour the memory of the deceased. However, some of these shrines have been there 5, 10, 15 years or even longer. Some are nowhere near where the family live, so become neglected or unkempt as time passes. Is it really unreasonable to ask the family / friends; after a small period of time has passed, to move the memorial / shrine to a more personal and less public place?

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slipperywhensparticus · 03/03/2019 11:02

Flowers fine great even but cellophane? No plastic tat no teddies? Did anyone SEE toy story?

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twoheaped · 03/03/2019 11:02

I used to pass flowers taped to a pedestrian crossing. They were put up every year for only a few days.
I found it very moving/sad because of its transience. Had it been there all the time, it wouldn't have been so obvious.

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RandomlyChosenName · 03/03/2019 11:04

Clearly I'm thick, but please can you gently explain the difference between the 911 memorial and a memorial to a cyclist?

I actually don't get it. Is it that more people died? Or that the memorial isn't tacky?

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OftenHangry · 03/03/2019 11:06

I don't agree that it started with Diana.
We had them on mainland decades and decades before.
They were not "shrines" but more of a warning to other drivers that the strech of the road is dangerous or just as a reminder to keep your eyes on the road and drive sensibly. Also as a reminder to be careful for pedestrians.

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WatcherintheRye · 03/03/2019 11:06

We all ought to move to the Cotswolds where, this thread has assured me, there is no underclass, nothing tacky or crass, everything is done in the best of all possible taste, and the likelihood is that bunches of flowers have been banned - unless you can prove ownership of a cut glass vase to put them in.

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RedRiverShore · 03/03/2019 11:09

They should all be Council controlled by By-Laws, ie a certain size and a certain amount of time they can remain there.

Our local cemetery is controlled that you can only have up to a certain size headstone and put your flowers, teddies etc in certain places on the grave.

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Hammondisback · 03/03/2019 11:11

I dislike them - they look tacky and are distracting. Unfortunately, some people find comfort in them, so there’s not much you can do - you certainly shouldn’t remove it, IMHO. YANBU to dislike it, though.

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