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to demand that my depressed stepson starts to make changes?

18 replies

Cruelstepmother · 25/02/2019 16:57

My 37yo stepson lives with my DH and me, has done for 3yrs. He has depression and is on meds. My DH has depression and physical disabilities. I have occasional SAD but generally ok.

My SS will NOT shower, even when asked, until I get angry and upset. I only demand this once a week. He sleeps in his clothes and wears them the next day, and the next... I usually have to ask him to change. He lives on junk food, like 5 bags of crisps and 2 bowls of sugary cereal for lunch. He won't cook meals except bung-in-the-micro meals. If desperate he might make sandwiches. Any food prep results in his leaving all the mess for us to tidy up. He will go out shopping for us and lift occasional heavy items. (Big f ing deal!) He won't wash up, will only do a few odd bits like hoover the lounge if we ask, which would be about once a month. He never offers help and usually disappears if work is happening "I'll just get out of your way". If criticised he is always defensive, never sorry. I genuinely believe he sees himself in a different (delusional) way from the rest of the world.

After 3 yrs I am just so tired of him and his depression and his selfish, selfish behaviour. Him moving out is for various reasons, not an option. All these depression sites say things like 'make time for yourself' but I can't because he never goes out and sleeps all day then is awake at night so it's killed off my sex life with DH. And I have actually told him this and asked him not to sleep during the day for that reason, I said I was quite happy for him to do things quietly in his room but just not sleep. He didn't even try.

But if I take 'you'll have to leave' off the table, there's no reason why he should do anything I ask/demand.

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CatToddlerUprising · 25/02/2019 17:01

What has done to help his depressions aside from medication?

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 25/02/2019 17:05

I don't get what him being awake has got to do with your sex life. I'm sure he's well aware that couples have sex or are you one of them an attention seeking screamer.
Sorry to be blunt and Bitchy

DoneLikeAKipper · 25/02/2019 17:11

Why can’t he move out? Is he under the care of any local services/mental health teams? Whilst it sounds like he needs help and support, if it’s been three years with no improvement living with you, then evidently it’s not working to help him get better.

Cruelstepmother · 25/02/2019 17:41

He's had depression since he was a teenager, had therapy/counselling. I accept he needs help but so does my DH - much more than SS - but he still does his best to help in house etc.

DH and I agree we don't want sex with him awake and in the house. And we like to go across to the bathroom etc.

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PawPawNoodle · 25/02/2019 17:57

It sounds harsh but kick him out. I've spent periods in my life being how he is now, and nothing changed until I could no longer fall back into the safety of the misery pit that I'd created. He went change his behaviours while under your roof where he can pretty much do as he pleases.

DoneLikeAKipper · 25/02/2019 18:04

I accept he needs help but so does my DH - much more than SS - but he still does his best to help in house etc.

Do you have any home help? Any support workers for either your husband or stepson?

It sounds like your stepsons depression is pretty deep-set. It also sounds like he has absolutely no reason to try either. There seems to be no motivation to do anything, no ‘consequences’ for not washing/doing housework/functioning as an adult (I’m assuming he doesn’t work from your op). So he’s like a child who knows his parents won’t kick him out no matter what - your frustrations and anger mean nothing to him. He has literally nothing to lose out of this, so why get better? In his dark fog, it may be better to exist as he is, as at least its ’what he knows’, than having to do anything that may get him out of the bad place he’s in.

Either he needs external support, or he needs a very hard kick up the bum. Maybe say ‘you need to start doing x,y and z, and if there’s no improvement in 3 months then we have to accept you’re not going to get better here and we’ll have to figure something else out, starting with you moving out’. It won’t cure his depression, but not doing anything as he is will never get him on the road to recovery.

SaucyJack · 25/02/2019 18:04

YANBU.

You’d be doing him a favour TBH. He isn’t going to get better or learn to live a productive life by spending the rest of his life in bed eating crisps.

“If you always do what you’ve always done, then you’ll always get what you’ve always got.”

He needs to make massive lifestyle changes for the sake of the entire household.

PietariKontio · 25/02/2019 18:44

Reading your post and some replies, makes be so glad, if I wasn't already, that I have the family I have when I've suffered with my mental health.

I'm not for one moment minimising the affect on your life that his illness brings, but the vitriol aimed at him is appalling.

Depression has a huge range, from a blue mood to being unable to function and take basic care of yourself. Anyone attempting to compare their own experience of depression with anyone in a post is ludicrous; you have no idea what they might be going through.

It's a prime example of how mental illness is such a poor cousin to physical illness. Yes, he might well be displaying antisocial aspects of daily living, but why is that him being 'wrong' rather than a symptom of his illness?

I hope, I really do, that your life improves, but you can't 'tell him off' out of his depression, you can't 'teach him a lesson' out of his depression, and you can't 'shame him' out of it either.

I don't know how much he can help his current state, but there's too many people hospitalised because of extreme depression to jump to the conclusion that he is somehow to blame, that he is negligent in his own recovery and that he is at fault.

Does that mean you should continue to have a poor quality of life as a result, of course not, but improving your life and showing him and his condition respect are not mutually exclusive.

StarlightIntheNight · 25/02/2019 18:55

Perhaps its his diet making him depressed. Sounds like an awful diet! Perhaps try cooking some healthy meals with fruits and veggies for him.....and make him exercise.

PtahNeith · 25/02/2019 19:00

What do you think depression is?

Skittlesss · 25/02/2019 19:05

It sounds like all three of you need help.

To be honest, I think not wanting sex because the SS is awake somewhere in the house is just a strange excuse. Unless you live in a very very small house and make a lot of noise!

DoneLikeAKipper · 25/02/2019 19:06

but the vitriol aimed at him is appalling.

I don’t think it’s vitriol. I think it’s exasperation, the rant of someone who doesn’t know what to do next. It’s been three years, I think even the saintliest of people would have started to get frustrated by now.

It's a prime example of how mental illness is such a poor cousin to physical illness. Yes, he might well be displaying antisocial aspects of daily living, but why is that him being 'wrong' rather than a symptom of his illness?

It is different from physical illnesses though. He isn’t physically incapable of washing, he just won’t. Yes, a symptom of mental health illness, but that doesn’t mean anyone around him has to go ‘oh it’s the depression making him and our home stink, I won’t say anything’. There’s a difference between being sympathetic to an illness and letting them fester in it.

I don't know how much he can help his current state, but there's too many people hospitalised because of extreme depression to jump to the conclusion that he is somehow to blame, that he is negligent in his own recovery and that he is at fault.

If their depression is so extreme, they cannot physically function then perhaps hospital care is the best place for them. Obviously, you’d hope there would be professional care before that extreme step, but by literally just eating crap and sleeping, the bloke in question is merely existing. There’s no motivation there to try and recover - anyone knows the basics of feeling good are rest, washing, some exercise and eating moderately well. If you don’t attempt any of these things, just sit waiting for the depression to go away with some pills and parents who do too much for you, then how exactly is he meant to even start to get better? Those who are physically ill have to push themselves at times, so with depression you need to find that push as well.

Does that mean you should continue to have a poor quality of life as a result, of course not, but improving your life and showing him and his condition respect are not mutually exclusive.

Ok, so how can the OP respect her stepsons condition whilst still living her own life, considering the level his illness seems to be affecting her and her husband (who is also ill)? As loving as parents are, most don’t sign up for a nearly-40 year old living at home even when well, it must be bloody tough with an ill one.

SpanielEars070 · 25/02/2019 19:06

He sounds like he needs a kick up the arse OP.

What sort of life is he living? He needs to get out, get some exercise and fresh air... and eat better. Perhaps have a blanket ban on junk food, at least if he has to go out and get it, he is at least doing something!

Poor mental health is no excuse for making everyone else around you miserable too.

Cruelstepmother · 25/02/2019 22:19

Thanks, all, for your replies so far.

I really don't think a mental hospital is the answer - they might be unkind to him and it would just mean someone else was doing his washing up for him instead of me and DH. And I would worry about him more than I do now - which is a lot.

I don't know, I really don't know if a kick up the arse is a solution. I reckon I could do it all day and it wouldn't make the slightest difference. It's like pushing a big sponge: as soon as you stop pushing it goes back to how it was.

The only sanction I can think of is to demand more and more 'rent' (board & lodging really) until it's financially better for him to live elsewhere. At the moment he contributes £55 a week.

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Jackyjill6 · 25/02/2019 22:57

Has he always been like this OP? Ever had a job?

Cherrysoup · 25/02/2019 23:06

Does he work?

Cruelstepmother · 25/02/2019 23:12

He has worked in the past but had a life crisis, broke up with long term gf and lost house, dog, job the lot

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 26/02/2019 06:44

Oh dear he is in a sorry state isn’t he
It sounds like he needs a gentle push towards some activities to boost him up a bit

It’s just without someone pushing him this could exist for years (or he kills himself )

Can you incentivise him to do some gentle activities that will boost mood
Gardening
Groups
Exercise
Decorating
Volunteering

To start with anything that gets him moving and out . These are all tried and tested MH remedies . In addition to the pills

You could say you can stay but you
Won’t get better until you try some activities and here are a few to choose from

The long term goal is to get him back on feet and eventually out

Sympathies . Tough one to handle and you might need some help

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