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I realise I am not always nice.

27 replies

BrigidOShaughnessy · 21/02/2019 15:01

I've recently realised that I have a tendency to push people away. I do it through a mixture of being: judgemental and critical; I complain about things, discuss my problems and talk way too much in the short time we're together. I can see the pattern, see people being actively put off, but seem unable to stop myself doing it.

Luckily there are some old friends in my life, and I am privileged to still have them. I do actually have a good sense of humour and make friends laugh too. And in the past few years I have tried to put myself out for people more. I do listen when they need to talk and go the extra mile when it's important to be there for them. Despite chronic forgetfulness, I also try to remember birthdays and cook nice food for them or take them out to lunch. I make sure we have fun. But my default mode is one of self doubt, feeling let down, unable to trust which brings out the above behaviours.

All this has been painful - I've essentially been self sabotaging all my life. At school I deliberately didn't revise for exams I could easily have passed; so had to do retakes in later life. In the workplace I move on after just a year or two; and there's this always pushing people away, people I actually really like who simply stop calling. Then I'm really hurt.

Now it seems I'm potentially moving on from my life-partner too; it seems we've really grown apart. I've got a compulsion to live alone and to try to be the person I think I can be without him.

What's really scary is that a few years ago I found out my (estranged) grandfather did this so spectacularly, that he ended up living alone in a remote part of the world, friendless and was found dead in a rented shack, with no possessions around him. An utter extreme I completely realise, (a bit like in Bridget Jones, where she worries about the prospect of dying alone, Alsatians eating her lifeless body)! I''m scared that could be me though, I could creeping towards this 'outcome'.

How do you move on? I know many people of a certain age really analyse their past and find it very wanting - probably explains the tattoos, the jogging and motorbike fixations . But the pondering is not good, it's keeping me awake at nights going over and over my past mistakes. I have had a fair bit of counselling but the doubt and behaviours creep back.

Do any of you have experience of this and how did you overcome the issues?

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Confusedbeetle · 21/02/2019 15:02

Do you think there may have been something in your life to start this? Would counseling help?

BrigidOShaughnessy · 21/02/2019 15:06

Yes Confusedbeetle, I have. Perhpas I need a longer more hard-core course!

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BrigidOShaughnessy · 21/02/2019 19:45

Or is this an internal dialogue I should learn to ignore as it's based on unhealthy think patterns?

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IamPickleRick · 21/02/2019 19:49

I hear you. Mine is due to an emotionally abusive childhood, family addiction which affected me, and my fathers death when I was a kid. I can see myself doing it and have actually managed to get a hold of myself and keep it in. My DH has helped massively by loving me no matter what. But sometimes I just slip back in to it, and have to work hard not to go back there. It’s so hard, but you’ve recognised it and that’s half the battle. Small steps each day, maybe a diary, very small and manageable goals etc.

All the love to you Flowers

BrigidOShaughnessy · 21/02/2019 19:53

Thanks so much iapickleRick yes I have those issues in my life too unfortunatley.

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DpWm · 21/02/2019 20:01

It's very female-socialisation-centric of you to think you should be nice all the time.
Most people aren't nice most of the time.

Your self preservation may depend on keeping people at arms length and that's OK.

Beating yourself up over imagined failings as a person won't get you anywhere.

Triglesoffy · 21/02/2019 20:05

Do you think you overshare and then when people become too familiar with you, that’s when you push them away?

TheFirstRuleOfFightClub · 21/02/2019 20:18

I have my best friend and my DH and children, that's it. If anyone tries to get in my 'bubble' I will back right off. I don't know why I'm like I am but that's how I like it.

I hope you can work it out with your partner.

PeppermintCactus · 21/02/2019 20:29

I am like this too. I think I push people away (or distance myself from them) because
A. I worry they'll do it to me so I get in there first
B. I'm worried they'll get bored of me
C. I rant on about stuff that makes me anxious
So fear is at the root of all of it, but I don't know how to just relax. I have reached a point where it's easier just not to bother with people (though I make my DH, DC & close family exceptions to this).

Decormad38 · 21/02/2019 20:36

Yes me too. The roots lay in alcoholic abusive father who later killed himself I feel. I also self sabotage. Thankfully I have a supportive DH who doesn’t let me. Odd behaviour though isn’t it? I think just being aware of it helps though.

BrigidOShaughnessy · 21/02/2019 20:41

It seems at the route of it all is a need to take control of difficult / abusive beginnings

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Rockmysocks · 21/02/2019 20:55

Be gentle with yourself. I have similar childhood issues and have felt like damaged goods all my life.

What's helped me is to see that there are huge numbers of people out there that have that confidence to call themselves 'nice people' but are human and fail and sometimes aren't nice at all.

I now accept that I don't have to be perfect, there is no perfect. I'm nice, too.

I don't seek friendship, per se, but engage with friendly people I can have a bit of banter and have a laugh with. It keeps things relatively impersonal and stops me over sharing and over investing in them.

Rockmysocks · 21/02/2019 20:58

Peppermint cactus sums it up for me!

MereDintofPandiculation · 21/02/2019 21:03

Try to remember that your past doesn't have to control your future. By all means, understand how your past has influenced you so far. But then start afresh from now. Just because things have affected you in the past doesn't mean to say you have to let them define your future. Now you recognise you self-sabotage is a good time to take control, look out for the signs of it happening again, and decide whether you want to self sabotage this particular thing or not.

And be nice to yourself. Remind yourself of all the good things you've managed despite the self-sabotage. For example, you may have flunked exams the first time around, but you've retaken them. That's a real achievement.

bibbitybobbityyhat · 21/02/2019 21:08

I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to be alone, if that's how you are.

I was the ultimate extrovert until I was about 40. Now I'm the polar opposite. It's not a sin.

Springwalk · 21/02/2019 21:18

What makes you think people aren’t interested in what you are saying op? I like it when friends open up/ over share. At least I know what’s going on with them. A true friend will be interested and will love your ways - all of them. I have some friends that can overly focus on one thing but that’s okay. As long as you ensure you care and ask questions about them too.

Deeper counselling may help.

Some self acceptance too. People can love and like you just as you are, or they can jog on! Choice is truly theirs. Learn to love yourself and everyone will too.

SheldonandMama · 21/02/2019 21:19

Self discovery is good. I think we are all in a dynamic, ever changing state of flux and develolment. It's ok to move on from friendships and outgrow relationships. Maybe we need different people at different times in our lives. If you really think that you have a need to keep everyone at bay, then going back to a therapist might help. Sometimes this stuff is in our upbringing and early experiences. If so, CBT wont be of much help, if that's what you've had before (And it's mostly what's on offer). I'd try another type of therapist. This is not about pathologising what might be reasonable life strategies. It is about being more conscious of what and why you're doing this. You sound very self aware and would make good use of therapy.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 21/02/2019 21:21

I can “hear” what you do just from how you write. Your wit is your shield.

Similar background here. My brother had it worse: he fends people off too: he’s broken off three engagements :(

How old are you?

SheldonandMama · 21/02/2019 21:23

I also share in the way you do and cull friendships. This doesnt make you unpleasant at all. I have friends who will listen with empathy and others who will listen so they can then tell me what's on their mind.. It feels completely different. I will always make time for people but I am often disappointed in how little empathy some people have. This can feel unsatisfying. It certainly makes me want to keep a distance as I feel drained afterwards. A conversation with an empathetic person make me feel buoyant. Maybe this is part if your self discovery too? Just a thought..

Mary1935 · 21/02/2019 21:30

Hi everyone look up adult children of alcoholics and dysfunctional families. You may fit some traits from your experience growing up.
Mine is isolating myself.

CantStopMeNow · 21/02/2019 23:01

A lot of what you describe is similar for me and i'm being assessed for Inattentive ADHD and ASD.
I also have chronic anxiety and depression which may well be a comorbid condition as part of those conditions or as result of.

This site has been extremely useful for me
www.additudemag.com/symptoms-of-add-hyperarousal-rejection-sensitivity/

CantStopMeNow · 21/02/2019 23:02

Just be mindful that a lot of symptoms crossover into other conditions so you will still need to speak with a professional for clarification and to understand how your own unique neurology presents.

Aroundtheworldandback · 21/02/2019 23:10

bibbitybobbityyhat Find it interesting that you were a mad extrovert till 40 and then changed. I always think you are born with those personality traits. I would love to be an extrovert and crave company but I just don’t and I give myself a really hard time.

BrigidOShaughnessy · 22/02/2019 09:01

Food for thought. Thanks for the replies. A lot of my mindset has to do with abandonment issues I think that and some of the other usual baggage. Feel like I need a really good psychotherapy course, think counselling's been a bit surfacy.

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Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 22/02/2019 17:23

agree. even a life-coach type person might be useful if you can't afford a psych.