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To think that most women are taking anti depressants?

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Jambalaya76 · 16/02/2019 10:56

Hi

I have been on and off these for most of my adult life. Life is easier with them and I find I am more able to cope with life stresses. I feel normal and tend to let upsets go over my head. Life is better with them. However, I have had a lot to deal with in my little life so feel like a need a little help.

Over the years, I have met so many people who say they also take them. Not that I ever bring it up. It made me wonder if I was to ask people, I wonder how many are taking anti depressants? This seems the perfect forum to ask.

So, how many of us woman here take, or have taken, antidepressants?

OP posts:
PsychedelicSheep · 17/02/2019 13:09

Prickwhittington but ACEs do impact on the brain. The number of people with psychosis (we no longer use the term schizophrenia) who have experienced ACEs is not a coincidence.

PsychedelicSheep · 17/02/2019 13:10

So yes there may be brain differences but these are influenced by environmental issues

MamaLovesMango · 17/02/2019 13:16

Sorry I that offends people and I don't mean to criticise people decisions

You are though.

To be honest it’s attitudes like yours, a person that works in mental health, that scares me the most. Throughout my life of suffering mental health disorders, working with mentally ill patients and working amongst other HPCs that treat mentally ill patients, it’s people with your views that have done the most damage.

MamaLovesMango · 17/02/2019 13:16

And I’m not sorry if that offends you. I’ve seen the results first hand unfortunately.

PsychedelicSheep · 17/02/2019 13:17

Well I have eyes and ears and I'm only reporting from my own experience 🤷🏻‍♀️

I've as much right to express my opinions that on here as anyone else.

PsychedelicSheep · 17/02/2019 13:18

It doesn't remotely offend me, we're all allowed to say what we believe

maddiemookins16mum · 17/02/2019 13:23

I know of nobody, but then why would I...it’s private.

Thisimmortalcurl · 17/02/2019 13:24

I’m a great believer in anti depressant medication.
Over my 17 years working within mental health I have seen it work absolute miracles . If I didn’t believe that they worked I really could not do my job.
Therapy and devising various coping strategies also play an important part.
What I find frustrating about anti depressants is the time they take to work for people and the annoyance that you sometimes have to try different ones to find the right one for the individual.
I have taken them in the past on a ten day a month to help severe pre mentrual syndrome and it worked.

Thisimmortalcurl · 17/02/2019 13:27

Your experience in working in mental health is you have never seen anti depressants work Psych ?
Have you seen ECT work ? Or anti psychotic drugs help people ? Or mood stabiliser ?
Or do you have no belief in them either ?

PrickWhittington · 17/02/2019 13:29

surferjet

That you got through dark times without needing medication is largely down to 'luck', that other methods worked for you, the same. It also sounds as though you have a good support system around you - not everyone does, which can massively amplify depression and effect the outcome.

Major depressive disorder however, frequently has sod all to do with dark times, tough times, feeling sad, it is more about feeling nothing, feeling completely dead inside, feeling so mentally tortured that you will do anything to escape. In those sort of situations, you do not control your depression, it controls you, no matter what you do and how you try to escape it.

I’m old enough to remember when AD’s were called ‘tranquillisers’ & were seen as just numbing everything so you were basically walking around like a zombie.

That's because they WERE tranquillisers, many modern anti-depressant medications are not. They are completely different things that act in different ways.

And yes, some can have a bit of a 'zombie' effect, but as I have said before, feeling like that has to be better than feeling mentally tortured and thinking of ways to ensure you don't exist anymore.

No one can say they will never NEED them, anyone could get to a stage when everything except medication has been tried and nothing has worked. If people refuse to even try them, is that not being selfish to those who love and care them?

Asta19 · 17/02/2019 13:32

Environment can make a difference. A friend I knew who was on a cocktail of medications for various mental health issues moved to a country radically different to ours with her partner. She couldn’t take her medications with her as a lot of them weren’t legal there. She was told she’d need to see a GP in the new country and get a new prescription for the equivalent type of drugs. Anyway, she managed really well and said her mental health was so much better in this new environment.

A few years ago in Switzerland, in a town called Berne. They had a bear pit. There was a bear that used to just spend it’s days walking round in circles. It was very clearly depressed. You wouldn’t think you could tell if a bear was depressed but it was obvious to anyone who saw it. Luckily it’s not there anymore. They made a proper habitat instead.

Problem is, most of us cannot change our environment at the drop of a hat. We can’t just move abroad to our dream country. Or move to a cottage in the middle of nowhere and bake all day, or whatever each persons dream life would be. A lot of us are that bear going round in the same circles over and over again. So for me the whole argument/debate about what causes depression is largely irrelevant. Because even if it is due to outside factors, there’s often not much you can do to change that.

madcatladyforever · 17/02/2019 13:36

I blundered through life in a state for years and antidepressants have really changed things for me.
I wish I'd started taking them years earlier.

HarrySnotter · 17/02/2019 13:36

We need to stop viewing mental ill health as a medical disorder, it isn't. It's a life experience and environmental issue.

Few would argue that environmental issues are a factor, but wow. To say that mental ill health is not medical is ridiculous.

Emeraldshamrock · 17/02/2019 13:47

We need to stop viewing mental ill health as a medical disorder, it isn't. It's a life experience and environmental issue
I agree surroundings can effect a person and their MH, most people could do more to take control of their life, BUT MH is a wide and varied spectrum.
Bipolar pmdd schizophrenia adhd dcd are all recognised to effect a persons MH. My DD has DCD ADD she hears voices has intrusive thoughts suffers bouts of depression, her life is perfect on the surface, I bend over backwards to create a happy childhood it is not her environment or surroundings it is her mind, all I can is teach her tools and confidence to manage her little mind.

Cel982 · 17/02/2019 13:47

Psychadelic, whatever the causes of psychotic illness, you're surely not arguing that non-pharmacological treatment is sufficient to treat it?

And I presume you're aware that psychosis and schizophrenia aren't the same thing. Psychosis is one of the symptoms of schizophrenia, which is an illness. Psychosis can of course be a feature of other mental illnesses, like severe depression.

Wickerman11 · 17/02/2019 13:47

Sorry I that offends people

then dont say something fucking offensive you arrogant unempathetic ballsack

PsychedelicSheep · 17/02/2019 13:58

Haha ok wickerman

PsychedelicSheep · 17/02/2019 14:02

I know theres a difference between singe and multiple episodes of psychosis - we still don't really use the term schizophrenia anymore though - it's seen as an unhelpful label.

Some of you need to move with the times a bit more, some very 1980d views of mental health on here!

Elphame · 17/02/2019 14:04

No I've never taken them and I doubt I would even if offered them.

PsychedelicSheep · 17/02/2019 14:06

Even the nurses and psychiatrists we work alongside are now saying to patients that they won't change their meds, that they need to engage with some psychological work. And programs like 'the doctor who gave up drugs' have helped too.

There's a sea change slowly happening and my team and I (eg professionals) think it's for the best, sorry if others don't agree.

Thisimmortalcurl · 17/02/2019 14:08

Nothing has changed in regards to schizophrenia being a diagnosis .
Some people find labels / diagnoses helpful some not .
However in medical terms and treatment terms if the illness fit the criteria then you will receive whatever diagnosis appropriate.

Graphista · 17/02/2019 14:10

Surferjet you're really NOT getting it.

It's NOT 'finding the willpower/strength to carry on' for those of us with severe depression it's LITERALLY being unable to function - at my worst I couldn't spell my name! Remember my dob! On one especially bad occasion I couldn't speak - as in my brain couldn't facilitate the physicality of speech, needed someone to physically dress me.

Slightly less bad time I've been in supermarket UNABLE to choose which tin of beans I needed, couldn't work out which notes/coins I needed to hand over to pay.

"I’m old enough to remember when AD’s were called ‘tranquillisers’" no - they are COMPLETELY different medications they weren't just called something different. Tranquillisers were used for depressed people but they were never antidepressants.

"Is my depression not as bad as the woman on antidepressants?" Sorry to be blunt but no! It's a scale but temporary low mood even normal grief is not depression. Constant INABILITY to function on anything approaching a normal level IS but even that is on a sliding scale. Not everyone who is depressed is depressed enough to need antidepressants, and if that describes you at your worst, it doesn't make your depression any less important to you, but it means you don't understand fully understand what it's like to be at the other end. And as such are really unqualified to comment that they're not necessary for people who are that ill!

Most if not all of us with severe depression start off being dismissive ourselves - because we don't know better - and trying things like improving sleep, eating better, exercise, chatting with friends, all sorts to "cheer ourselves up" it's when these and other methods of dealing with depression DO NOT WORK even over months/years that it becomes clear to our Drs and ourselves that we NEED something more.

If you're able to feel better from a splash of water etc great - but that's not severe depression you're suffering from if that's the case.

It's like someone with a gashed knee that simply needs cleaning & dressing at home, saying to someone with a broken leg to do the same as them!

And your family/life situation doesn't necessarily mean you won't be/get severe depression either there are people with everything they could wish for in life who STILL suffer from severe depression - look at the celebrities that do, they often have supportive families, no money worries, lovely homes etc and yet still are very ill.

While it's daft to compare and overly concern ourselves with "is my depression worse than hers" in real life, I think in the context of this discussion and the dismissive, sometimes uncaring comments made by some here that say or imply those of us who do/have taken ads are simply "weak" or "lazy" or not trying hard enough to "get over" our depression I think it IS important to recognise that not everyone's depression is the same or the same severity.

"I think this thread makes it very clear that some people still don't, or don't want to, understand that mental health issues can be completely debilitating. They refuse to comprehend it because they have not experienced it, so they are lacking in empathy." Totally agree.

"We need to stop viewing mental ill health as a medical disorder, it isn't." In some cases it is. Just because the seratonin theories are now being challenged doesn't mean it's not medical. Genetic & brain structure causes & others do mean it could be medical.

And even the "chemical imbalance" isn't necessarily being completely discredited, some of the scientists saying it's not the amount of seratonin etc are saying it's different peoples response to those levels eg it may be that some people need more seratonin uptake than others as their BODY needs a greater input.

Not all depression is situational in cause or totally so.

I do agree that other treatments for mh are woefully underfunded and hard to access - but then do we simply abandon sick people to their illness because of that? Offer them nothing?

If you are a mh professional though I'm shocked that you don't understand the many NON situational causes of mental illness. Are you even medically trained?

PsychedelicSheep · 17/02/2019 14:11

Helped the public's awareness of alternatives that was supposed to say.

Treble9 · 17/02/2019 14:11

There's a difference between mental health and mental disorder/illness and they are both on a different continuum.

Someone can have a diagnosed mental illness (such as bipolar disorder) and can be mentally unhealthy or mentally healthy depending on a combination of factors including the use of medication to manage symptoms.

Equally, someone who doesn't have a diagnosed mental illness can be mentally healthy or unhealthy depending on a combination of factors. Some of these people may benefit greatly from medication like anti-depressants and some may benefit from alternative options. Others still, may benefit from a combination of both.

There is NO right or wrong when it comes to medication for mental ill health. It's about what works for that individual. Medication is not always the answer but nor should it be demonised.

Thisimmortalcurl · 17/02/2019 14:12

I get the feeling you mostly work with people with a different diagnosis that clinical depression . Your posts read like you work with people with a diagnosis of Personality disorder . If that’s true I do agree a DBT / CBT route are much more helpful in the long term .
However not in acute clinical depression and certainly not for various other severe mental health illnesses .

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