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If you can't drive faster than 35mph....

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DeRigueurMortis · 09/02/2019 14:56

So indulge me with a rant....

My drive to work involves a 10 mile section on what you might describe as country roads.

The national speed limit applies.

There are a couple of sections that are winding but the corners are not severe - for example you could safely drive the whole section at 55mph (inc cornering) and 60mph in the straights (in good conditions - in the dark/rain/snow you would obviously not be unreasonable to adjust your speed as required to be safe).

I appreciate that someone who doesn't know the road might want to adopt a slower pace and wouldn't think that going 45-50mph corners/straights was unreasonably slow.

However there is a man who regularly seems to be on the same schedule as me that that insists on driving the whole section at no more than 40mph slowing to 35mph for long stretches. He obviously knows the road having done the journey many times and his speed (or lack of) is not impacted by driving conditions.

Cars regularly bunch up behind him (I'm talking queues of 10/15 other road users) as opportunities for safely overtaking are limited
(and I've seen quite a few dodgy overtaking manoeuvres done in sheer frustration I would assume - which I don't condone).

I can't help feeling that if you're incapable of driving at an appropriate speed you shouldn't be on the road at all.

This man works in a building near to my office (I've seen the car parked there) and I'm getting to the point of wanting to walk over and speak to him if I see him getting in/out of his car to have a strong but polite word.

Realistically I won't because I'm not sure there's anything I can say to make him a better driver.

However I don't think I'm U for thinking of you can't drive at a reasonable speed you shouldn't be in charge of a vehicle at all.

OP posts:
Bluelady · 09/02/2019 19:58

What on earth's the point of accelerating to 60 for one mile? You'd no sooner get there than you'd have to brake again. A lot of people keep an eye on their fuel consumption and drive accordingly.

DeRigueurMortis · 09/02/2019 20:16

Blue you seem to equate driving slowly with driving economically when that's not necessarily the case.

Various factors apply including which gear you are in, but it can often be more fuel efficient to accelerate to a speed that reduces revs in top gear than pottering along at a lower speed in a lower gear or conversely having to have a heavy right foot to get enough power in top gear.

OP posts:
DeRigueurMortis · 09/02/2019 20:19

On that note I'm popping over to a friends house for a few cocktails (walking not driving!).

A margarita apparently has my name on it Wink

OP posts:
Bluelady · 09/02/2019 20:20

The comment about fuel economy was specifically in response to the post about the mile long stretch of road with a roundabout each end. Gears mean nothing to me, I've driven a hybrid for years.

Celticrose · 09/02/2019 20:21

@boilingstormyseas
he favourite manoeuvre around here (rural) is to pull out from a side road just as you're coming along on a straight road (with no one behind you so they could have waited), causing you to brake sharply. They then pootle along at 35 mph. When I rule the world they, and your daily annoying driver, will be banished from the roads

I have been the victim of this type of driving over the years. ( I have always lived semi rurally)

Happened to me years ago on my commute to work. The 1st 10 miles was a B road through countryside.
An elderly man used to drive out onto the main road and tootle along at 20 mph max with no hope of overtaking. It was extremely frustating

shiningstar2 · 09/02/2019 20:37

I regularly use a country road where the overall speed limit is 60mph. However there are areas of the road with loads of sharp bends where there is clear signage giving an upper limit of 40mph. Inevitably some one will come up sharp behind me who doesn't think the lower speed limit applies to them. The signs are there for a reason but ...terrible this ...it holds them up. If they don't think the law applies to them and they can get past me they are free to take any risks they like with their own lives ...but why do they think they have the right to decide for me that the legal speed limit at this particular place doesn't apply to me?

If they'd seen an overturned vehicle with ambulances and firemen in attendance they might have more consideration. Some people who move around a slower vehicle on a narrow road would blame the slower driver in an accident even if they are following the rules of the road for that particular stretch.

PinkGin24 · 09/02/2019 20:41

Not read the full thread but from your opening post I personally think YABVU but then again I don't think any country lanes should be 60mph. I have horses and hack down country lanes. A car coming up behind me at 60mph is downright dangerous.

Tutlefru · 09/02/2019 20:41

It also annoys me when people do not pay proper attention to traffic lights. I’ve seen plenty of people run a red light and nearly cause a massive accident. Get out of LaLa land and fucking concentrate.

Or the no right turn signs.

People who see you from afar and don’t pull out, wait for you to get CLOSER then decide to go. Angry

MisstoMrs · 09/02/2019 21:23

@pinkgin24 with respect it’s a road. I have been sworn at by people on horses when I pass on the other side of the road at 5 mph. No-one should race up behind a horse, or passed one, but people can’t see round bends and other road users don’t always flash to alert you. 60mph is entirely appropriate for most country roads and traffic. If you feel it isn’t then you shouldn’t be on it.

Bluelady · 09/02/2019 21:28

Anyone who thinks 60 is an appropriate speed for most country roads clearly hasn't driven on many.

MisstoMrs · 09/02/2019 21:41

@bluelady it’s a limit. Of course it’s not appropriate all of the time. I drive across two rural counties most days for work. It’s fine.

PinkGin24 · 09/02/2019 21:49

@MisstoMrs horses were on the roads LONG before cars. 60mph down most cuntry lanes I know is entirely dangerous and inappropriate. If you can't see round a bend SLOW THE FUCK DOWN not just for me and my horse, but for a car coming the other way who would more than likely wipe you out if also doing the same speed.

masterandmargarita · 09/02/2019 22:06

Judging from this thread there's alot of angry drivers on the road

MisstoMrs · 09/02/2019 22:07

@pinkgin24 you’re quite right that horses were on the roads long before cars. However, they are no longer the dominant road user. I’m not saying someone shouldn’t slow down on a bend, especially if it’s a single track road, that’s just common sense, but equally I don’t think slowing to 5mph just in case there is a horse is reasonable either. There really isn’t any need to swear at me, especially in capitals.

nonevernotever · 09/02/2019 22:23

come up against a vehicle going at just 30 mph is an actual physical danger that could cause an immediate crash - that's a bit more than an inconvenience and a cause of frustration! At all times all drivers should be able to brake within the distance between them and the car in front and be driving at a speed and distance from the vehicle in front of them that enables them to do that. Someone driving considerably below the limit suddenly come upon round a bend is a direct danger to others.

And yet this argument takes no account of the many legitimate road users who cannot travel fast that you might well come up with around your corner - horses and cyclists have already been mentioned but what about tractors, mopeds and pedestrians? Not to mention the unexpected such as other accidents, loose animals or other hazards?

PinkGin24 · 09/02/2019 22:31

@MisstoMrs where did I specify the speed you should slow to?

Graphista · 09/02/2019 22:46

My brothers a police officer. Back when he was on traffic duty he used to stop people like this (as well as the more usual dangerous drivers of course), because it IS dangerous not to make proper progress, it causes traffic jams and frustration in other drivers which can lead to poor decisions (yes that's on them too but it certainly should be avoided where possible).

He said most of the ones that drove like this shouldn't have been on the roads as they were often:

drunks trying to avoid getting pulled (including people who were regularly drinking the night before and then driving to work next day, I think op's driver might fall into this category)

Banned or unlicensed drivers trying to avoid getting pulled

people who's eyesight was too poor for driving but who were too stubborn/vain to wear glasses, in many cases wouldn't even go to opticians!

Elderly people who's confidence for driving really was gone and their reactions not quick enough either. Not saying ALL elderly shouldn't drive but many drive past the point they're safe to. It's often quoted on such threads "the most dangerous drivers are the youngsters" BUT the SECOND most dangerous age group is 80-85.

They REALLY don't belong on the roads.

One road he used to monitor was a country, windy road and it was notorious for accidents. Mainly caused by too slow drivers getting hit by other drivers going into back of them who were driving at a faster but not too fast for the conditions speed, hitting them as there was a sort of double bend bit so normal driver would round the first bend no problem and could reasonably expect that there wouldn't be another car round the second bend going so slowly as to effectively be an obstruction. Not sure I've explained that well hope you guys understand.

Anyway, of course the default is its always the car behind that's at fault right? Well the local courts started to get a lot of those drivers basically saying "fine I accept SOME culpability but the driver going too slow should too!" So the drivers going too slow got penalties too for I think about a year? Then the local drivers generally wised up and stopped driving dangerously slowly.

And the people in the second cars are only going around 40 max, the slow drivers have been as slow as 15mph on occasion (that one was on the local news as a "funny story" yet they were lucky the accident caused wasn't more serious).

What I do find amusing is that both extremes of fast/nippy and slow/hesitant drivers are the least efficient ways of driving so they're costing themselves a fortune!

"they also brake at everything meaning you have to be on high alert." Again, bro says this is usually because they're already banned or got points and paranoid about getting pulled for running a stop sign etc he says even now he reckons he's got a knack for spotting drivers with enough points on their licence that even a minor infraction will lead to them losing it.

You could call 101 with his reg no op, wouldn't surprise me if he already had points or was even banned already. Mention that you've noticed other drivers getting frustrated and as a result attempting less than safe overtaking and you feel it's a case of an accident waiting to happen. If he has got points I believe the police then can have a chat with him and if he's banned they'll be doing more than that! Are you able to give a fair description of the driver too? Just as if he's banned he'll likely try and say it wasn't him driving.

"YANBU, this is one of mine and DH’s absolute pet hates! I always say I think there should be a TV campaign to explain what the NSL sign means." I think the dangers of driving too slow/hesitantly should be advertised too.

"Can anybody tell me how it makes me a bad driver if I go out in my car tomorrow and choose to drive at 35-40mph on a 60 road, just because I'm enjoying the scenery and in no hurry?" As well as the other points made?its also

costing you money

bad for the environment (you're using more fuel and higher emissions)

creating traffic buildup (infrastructure is designed based on normal usage, roads are maintained and operated based on how many vehicles travel along them within a set time period. Which leads to greater wear and tear on the roads physically, plus the additional financial and environmental costs you're incurring to others and to make others do...

You want more?

"But my earlier point was that for people who are just on their way to work..." Most people need to be at their jobs at a specific time or they could well be disciplined or even lose their jobs. You could also be making someone late for a medical or other important appointment which could cause problems for them.

How about you give us a GOOD reason for driving far more slowly than is appropriate for the road & conditions?! The reason absolutely IS relevant because if you're not driving at a reasonable way for the conditions you're breaking the law.

"Perhaps he's conserving petrol/diesel" this is not the way to do that.

"So? What's dangerous about that?" You're not responding appropriately to changing conditions. PLUS it adds to congestion which increases likelihood of accidents. In extreme cases such congestion can lead to dangerous conditions for cars going the backed up road from others.

"but also contrary to the standards that your are expected to observe when taking a driving test." Most of the rules are there for safety reasons too.

"The reason it's dangerous is to do with the unexpectedness of coming upon a vehicle at a considerably lower speed than the road speed limit and conditions indicate are appropriate, for other road users who are driving to a sensible speed, making progress. To suddenly come round a bend (same on a motorway even) and come up against a vehicle going at just 30 mph is an actual physical danger that could cause an immediate crash - that's a bit more than an inconvenience and a cause of frustration!" Puts what I was trying to explain much better!

Cora1942 · 09/02/2019 22:50

Wow this thread says it all. I agree people driving well below the speed limit are a pain. But if you are a good driver you take it in your stride. Can i suggest leaving 10 minutes earlier for work. That way you will miss Mr Slow. Get to work and have a cup of tea.

Coldandfrosty · 09/02/2019 22:53

Yes to the 40s in 60s people also doing 40 in 30...wtf is that about?

NunoGoncalves · 09/02/2019 23:25

The reason it's dangerous is to do with the unexpectedness of coming upon a vehicle at a considerably lower speed than the road speed limit and conditions indicate are appropriate, for other road users who are driving to a sensible speed, making progress. To suddenly come round a bend (same on a motorway even) and come up against a vehicle going at just 30 mph is an actual physical danger that could cause an immediate crash

I'm surprised you're so staggered when the only reason you gave is so questionable. For a start nobody "suddenly comes round a bend" at 60mph (unless they have a death wish). If you're going round a blind bend, you would have slowed considerably to do so. That's presumably why as a PP mentioned, there aren't crashes every time a horse-box, tractor, rubbish truck, huge lorry carrying a mobile home, or any other slow-moving vehicle, takes to the road, which is extremely common on country lanes! Tractors often go a lot slower than 30mph yet they don't end up with people smashing into the back of them.

tazzle22 · 09/02/2019 23:48

Hhhmmm.. now it's dangerous to drive at 30mph round a bend as a faster driver might go round a bend not expecting to see a slower car and bang into it What the heck * sigh. That slow vehicle might be a tractor going as fast as it can...and that's not 60mph. ! It might be a horse trailer that's not allowed to go more than 50mph and going that fast around a bend could lead to highly risky fishtailing. It could be a lorry that's cannot take a country road at 50. . So many possibilities !

More and more country roads are having applications made to reduce the speed limit on country roads. The national speed limit was raised to 60 in 1977 as cars got faster...the country roads however did not change . People now expect to be able to go faster . Look at the statistics here

www.brake.org.uk/slowdown/15-facts-a-resources/facts/1257-speed-country-roads

That is only one of many campaigns asking for the speed limits on these roads to be reduced.

tazzle22 · 09/02/2019 23:59

A study in Linconshire showed that 10% reduction in speed from 60 to 50 on country roads and lanes led to 76% reduction in KSI .... killed or seriously injured..incident. There are many calls to make some roads 40mph. Limits.

SidekickSally · 10/02/2019 00:20

The problem is most people on the roads think that it's everyone else who causes the accidents. I heard it SO MUCH last week with people blaming everyone else for the accidents on the roads in snow.

Truth is we could all do with driving a bit better.

The slow driver could be a bit more aware.

Alot of drivers could calm down a bit.

As for those at the start of the post saying that it regularly makes them 5 minutes late on the school run. Why do you keep doing it then? Yes, it's not your fault that the slow inconsiderate driver is driving on the same stretch of road as you every morning but what's stopping you from leaving earlier? Stubbornness, needing an extra 5 minutes in bed, forgetting that this happens every day?

MisstoMrs · 10/02/2019 07:38

@pinkgin24 I never said you had.

Teateaandmoretea · 10/02/2019 07:57

He sounds pretty awful and annoying but a speed limit isn't a target. Most very narrow single track country lanes technically have a limit of 60 but only a homicidal maniac would drive that fast on them.

I am also Hmm about the idea that he causes bad driving by others. It's pretty frequent you can be doing 60 on a country road and have some idiot 2 feet off your rear. I'm guessing they are the same people.

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