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To get back with my ex even though he paid no maintenance?

63 replies

Messyisthenewtidy · 04/02/2019 20:34

Here is the short version:

We split up when DS was 2, the relationship was on and off for about 5 years, my fault entirely because he always wanted us to get back together but I couldn’t commit. I’m not proud of myself but in the times we were split I did date other people (as did he) and this made things so much worse.

The real reason behind my fear of commitment though is that he had a temper (not physical but verbal) I always felt anxious around him, always on guard and not knowing when he would blow up. He would often accuse me of trying to belittle him. An example: We were having a discussion about religion. I disagreed with his viewpoint, he blew up at me and called me a f&%!ng bitch for doubting his intelligence ( I wasn’t, I was just more agnostic than him).

I did love him and wanted things to work out for DS but couldn’t put up with his paranoia and outbursts which were always sporadic enough to lull me into a false sense of security and doubt myself.
He was always reluctant to pay maintenance and I had to go through CSA. Part of me felt annoyed, part of me didn’t blame him because it was never his choice to split.

When Ds was 7 he left to go back to his home country. Stayed in touch via email (not great expressive emails, just one or two sentences) but he didn’t send a single penny to support DS and I was too scared of his anger to force it. Besides I didn’t know where he lived.

10 years later, we’ve re-connected and he’s visited once. We got on really well and have stayed in constant contact online. I feel that we’ve changed and are more mature and we have so much in common still. DS is older and although he’s not keen on talking to him at first, they always get on well once the ice is broken. I also understand his outbursts more as DS was diagnosed with Asperger’s and I suspect strongly that he has this too.

AIB a complete muggins to even consider trying things again? We’ve talked about issues such as his temper and although he apologised I don’t think he really gets it as he thinks such arguments are part and parcel of a relationship. I even got the courage to ask him why he never paid maintenance. His answer was that DS could always live with him if I wanted him to and he wouldn’t have asked for any money from me. It sounds so reasonable.

Am I being a complete idiot to even consider it? Is it possible that time and maturity have changed us? Or is paying no maintenance all these years something that I shouldn’t forgive? I can’t seem to get past that bit. But then perhaps it was unfair to expect it of him.

Sorry for long ramble. It could have been a lot longer!

OP posts:
CoastalLife · 04/02/2019 21:00

Maintenance isn't a gift to an ex partner. It's a contribution to your child's upbringing. Whether or not you and he are a couple, your DS is his responsibility. Does he understand that his child needed clothing, feeding, a warm home etc in all the years he was absent from his life? What if you had also decided to stop providing for DS simply because the relationship had broken down?

I'm trying not to come across as judgemental because obviously all we have to go on is your relatively short OP, but yes you would be absolutely mad to consider getting back together. This man has a temper and left you feeling anxious with his unpredictable and unprovoked outbursts. You could well be describing abuse there. He has treated your son absolutely appalling, going AWOL for years (no loving father would do that) and failing to contribute at all to DS's needs, so far down his list of priorities was his own son. Putting myself in DS's shoes, I can imagine being incredibly hurt and feeling deeply betrayed that my mother could consider welcoming back with open arms a man who had done all of that to me.

Sorry if that comes across as judgemental. Again, it's not my intention. I'm just struggling to understand how you could forgive a man who has let down your child so badly, let alone restart a relationship with him. Do you think this is maybe a case of you trying to create an idealised version of "what should have been"?

RelaxDontDoooIt · 04/02/2019 21:01

You're not a mug but you need to decide if you can live with it. Aspies don't change, we're not the easiest people to get along with.

He was verbally abusive with a horrendous temper and has taken no financial responsibility for his child. Nobody should have to put up with that, diagnosis or not. It’s a reason but it isn’t an excuse. Plenty of people with ASD treat their loved ones with respect and pay for their children.

Messyisthenewtidy · 04/02/2019 21:01

Thanks so much for responding MNers and for being tough in a nice way. I feel so low about it because part of me always wished it would work out in the end but I know in my heart it's such a risky move.

I need to be stronger and bring myself up to respect myself more and be more resilient. But it's so hard because I constantly doubt my every thought and decision. I'm such a mess.

OP posts:
Seline · 04/02/2019 21:01

idont because most people with Aspergers don't have the social skills or inclination to do it plus we look at the world in an entirely different way.

Nowhere did I say it makes it okay what he did. It's still horrid.

Idontbelieveinthemoon · 04/02/2019 21:02

she needs the full knowledge that aspies are just how they are

He has no diagnosis. There's nothing other than the OP's opinion that he might be on the spectrum. So stating "aspies are just how they are" makes it sound as though his behaviours are absolutely excusable. And they're not. Not for an NT person, not for a person with ASD, not for anyone. Minimising abuse simply ensures that it continues.

7yo7yo · 04/02/2019 21:04

What country is he from?
Could he be using your for a visa?
Ask him to start Paying maintenance.

Seline · 04/02/2019 21:05

Hence why I said if it's Aspergers.

Again understanding someone's motivation isn't excusing the behaviour. Personally to me intent matters. My aspie ex didn't intend to hurt me but he still did and I couldn't live with it so I ended it. Do I think that's on par with an NT person knowingly bullying someone? No.

Idontbelieveinthemoon · 04/02/2019 21:05

idont because most people with Aspergers don't have the social skills or inclination to do it plus we look at the world in an entirely different way.

Where's your evidence for this? You're making huge generalisations about people on the spectrum and I think you're wrong. I know several adults on the spectrum in healthy, happy, loving relationships. I know many, many children on the spectrum who look set to grow into wonderful, kind, considerate partners. It's not an opt-out to behave like a shit to partners simply because you might have ASD.

Seline · 04/02/2019 21:07

Im not saying it's an excuse. I'm saying the motivation behind the behaviour is different.

Messyisthenewtidy · 04/02/2019 21:10

If it is Aspergers I can guarantee it's not manipulation or intentional malice like some are suggesting.

Yeah I guess that's what I always tell myself because he seems so warm and charming that I feel he really doesn't mean any harm. Unintentional gaslighting, is that possible?! Although I suppose it doesn't change the outcome.

Another issue is that he never seemed to like how close I was to my parents, but it has been those same parents who have supported me and DS, financially and emotionally so i also worry how it would affect them. Is that crazy? They've done so much for me after all. Picked up the pieces.

Yes, yes yes MN, I have to be strong and get some self-esteem. But where does one get that from? If only I could order some on Amazon!

OP posts:
RelaxDontDoooIt · 04/02/2019 21:12

Motivation makes no difference when it comes to being abusive towards someone. Sorry but it doesn’t. I have people in my family who are diagnosed and on the spectrum. Yes they do think differently but all understand that shouting/swearing at someone isn’t acceptable behaviour.

RelaxDontDoooIt · 04/02/2019 21:13

OP stop diagnosing him. You have no proof he has a diagnosis and all it does is make you believe you can accept how he is. You couldn’t accept it years ago and nobody will change that much!

NCjustforthisthread · 04/02/2019 21:13

you would be a fool to try again. DONT.

AnotherEmma · 04/02/2019 21:14

For the love of god, woman! NO!

Sort your head out. Do the Freedom Programme. Get counselling. ASAP.

Romanov · 04/02/2019 21:16

I was too scared of his anger to force it
I was too scared of his anger to force it
I was too scared of his anger to force it
I was too scared of his anger to force it
I was too scared of his anger to force it
I was too scared of his anger to force it

you wrote this - nothing has changed

Sarahandduck18 · 04/02/2019 21:16

No!

Stay away.

He’s abusive and exposing ds to him is emotional abuse in itself.

Messyisthenewtidy · 04/02/2019 21:17

What country is he from? A - Western / 1st world / not sure how to phrase it - one
Could he be using your for a visa? No, because he can apply to return anytime he wants.
Ask him to start Paying maintenance he doesn't have much money and I'd be too scared to!

OP posts:
RelaxDontDoooIt · 04/02/2019 21:19

You would be too scared to ask him yet seem to be considering taking him back? Oh my. I think I need to leave this thread here or my head will explode.

Value yourself more OP. That is my parting comment!

KatharinaRosalie · 04/02/2019 21:19

I always felt anxious around him, always on guard and not knowing when he would blow up.

Oh and this was because he had no friends, the poor thing? Bullshit.
Why do you want to go back to walking on eggshells?

Begrateful · 04/02/2019 21:21

Leave him in the past and let him stay there, otherwise history will repeat itself again.

Stay well away!

MsJudgemental · 04/02/2019 21:22

Why are you too scared to ask him to contribute financially for his child? Confused Listen to yourself!

mytieisascarf · 04/02/2019 21:27

One could argue that everyone who is abusive and a terrible parent has mental health issues..... narcissism, personality disorder etc etc. The thing is it really doesn't matter. It doesn't matter whether your ex has asd, or not. The effect of his behaviour on you and your son is the exactly the same.

  1. You were afraid of him
  1. He withheld financial support for his son because he was angry with you.
  1. He left the country and his son for you to raise alone. The impact of this separation on your son will have been significant.

You do not need a diagnosis to understand that this behaviour was damaging.

How will your son feel if you choose to welcome someone into your life who treated him so badly?

Messyisthenewtidy · 04/02/2019 21:28

I know. I am an idiot. I'm so unsure of myself and it's always been a problem. Sometimes it's part of the problem.

OP posts:
Idontbelieveinthemoon · 04/02/2019 21:31

Im not saying it's an excuse. I'm saying the motivation behind the behaviour is different.

If the behaviour is abusive it makes no odds what the motivation behind it; the behaviour in itself is inexcusable and cannot and must not be tolerated.

This is why we so many women in abusive, volatile relationships are scared to rock the boat, because they hear others try and diagnose why the abuser is abusive rather than supporting them and telling them they're worth more than this. I don't give a fuck what the motivation is behind an adult's behaviour; they are responsible for their choices at every point of the relationship and must be held accountable.

Love is never unkind. Never. Not Autistic love, not Aspergers love, not any love.

Idontbelieveinthemoon · 04/02/2019 21:32

Op you're not an idiot. You've singlehandedly raised your child, and done so with love. You're incredible, you simply don't recognise your own value. The Freedom Programme can help you with that.

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