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Liam Neeson

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PatricksRum · 04/02/2019 13:12

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/liam-neeson-rape-black-man-attack-cosh-cold-pursuit-sexual-assault-interview-a8760866.html

Why is The Independent acting so casual towards this blatant act of racism?

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PatricksRum · 05/02/2019 01:17

@gluteustothemaximus No one is shouting.
Why did your friend judge all Asian men based on the actions of one Asian man?
Although perhaps there were some other factors such as ptsd.
Neeson wasn't raped, attacked, he was just angry, inexcusable.

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PatricksRum · 05/02/2019 01:20

Thanks for that link Boswell
I further understand now. That tone.

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RonaldMcDonald · 05/02/2019 01:26

Non story
If we were all more honest about and worked on our emotions and racism the world would be better

Vivino · 05/02/2019 03:38

Why all this repetition that he did this 40 years ago in Northern Ireland? The article says neither of those things. What it actually says is that the rape was "many years ago" and "some time ago" and "Neeson had just come back from overseas" and he grew up in NI. According to his Wikipedia page he moved to Dublin in 1978, aged about 26, and then to London sometime between 1980-1982, then Hollywood in 1986. So there's no base for the 40 years ago claim, that's pure conjecture.

Trying to characterise the OP/people who recognise this is racist as somehow not caring about rape victims is sickening whataboutism. Liam Neeson himself gets that his behaviour was racist and disgusting. It's a pity - but not a surprise - there are MN posters hellbent on defending him. As a woman who has been raped, I can guarantee I didn't want anyone I told to commit a hate crime in response to it.

Coyoacan · 05/02/2019 03:43

And we are not talking about what he did forty years ago so much as his present day attitude, where he still thinks this killing some random would have been revenge.

PatricksRum · 05/02/2019 04:03

@TheKrakening3 sorry for your loss. Thanks
Thsnk you for your wisdom.

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PatricksRum · 05/02/2019 04:06

Trying to characterise the OP/people who recognise this is racist as somehow not caring about rape victims is sickening whataboutism. Liam Neeson himself gets that his behaviour was racist and disgusting. It's a pity - but not a surprise - there are MN posters hellbent on defending him. As a woman who has been raped, I can guarantee I didn't want anyone I told to commit a hate crime in response to it.

Also a very valid point. Him trying to find a blsck male wasn't helping the victim but helping himself unleash anger. I presume that's the last thing the victim would want.

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fedupski · 05/02/2019 04:26

the amount of times you hear “ not all men” on here when talking about misogyny and rape culture, but it seems it’s different when black men are targeted as a group based on what one black man did.
It’s either ok to tar a group with the same brush or individuals are responsible for their own actions. Would the people defending Neeson on here be ok if he went out looking for violence towards doctors, university students, men with green eyes, when does it suddenly become ok?
Forget lynching, close to where I grew up a boy was murdered with an axe for the crime of being a black boy dating a white girl, it took place just 13 years ago, the sort of racist crap spouted by Neeson and defended by some of you is dangerous.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-33623311

YoGert · 05/02/2019 04:26

I wonder if posters would minimize this so much if Neeson admitted to going out with a bag of rohypnol with the aim of raping a woman, only to change his mind after a week or so when the opportunity hadn't presented itself.

Mrstwiddle · 05/02/2019 06:24

I was really disappointed by this too, and hearing him say “black b” and not acknowledging that he was being racist, just that he regretted the anger he felt, and this not being picked up on by the media, surprised me.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 05/02/2019 06:33

He should have kept this little horrible thought to himself and not shared it . It was many years ago anyway .

That’s what I think

BlimeyCalmDown · 05/02/2019 06:36

He' apologising for seeking violence as a way of revenge, not for the racism.

Imagine if he had managed to 'find one' in the week he walked the streets looking for one!? and imagine again if that person was your innocent relative or friend, would you be saying it doesn't matter as he didn't actually manage to 'find one' then...

Limensoda · 05/02/2019 06:41

Good morning are having a field day on this story.
No one seems to hear anything other than he wanted to kill a black man. There is so much more to this story than that.
Of course it's horrible. Neeson himself says it's horrible.
If a white man had raped his friend he would have looked for a white man. He narrowed it down to black man because his friend said he was black.
Nelson learned a lesson,...he said so, but let's all wade in and punish him? Get a grip.
People go bloody hysterical about everything now.

newyearsameshit · 05/02/2019 06:48

He should have kept it to himself.

Missingstreetlife · 05/02/2019 07:50

And have you seen that he thinks #me too has gone too far. Arse.

Bluestitch · 05/02/2019 08:54

Yes re metoo apparently touching a co-stars breast is just 'childhood stuff', he said.

IhateBoswell · 05/02/2019 09:01

If a white man had raped his friend he would have looked for a white man.

Have you got a source for that, or are you just making it up to suit your own narrative?
Bollocks he would.

Snoozysnoozy · 05/02/2019 09:42

If a white man had raped his friend he would have looked for a white man

I doubt that, but if it had been a protestant then this would have played out very differently.

RaskolnikovsGarret · 05/02/2019 09:46

What he did was shockingly racist. How weird that he’s announcing it almost as though he wants to be lauded for his ‘honesty’. Had the rapist been white, he simply would not have gone hunting for a white man to hurt. I was mugged (obviously much less serious than a rape) by a black lady. Never for a moment did it occur to me to stigmatise black women as a consequence.

Really poor behaviour by him, and very depressing posts on here.

derxa · 05/02/2019 09:49

The fact that he said 'black bastard' is terrible. Did he have a brain fade?

LuYu · 05/02/2019 10:17

I seriously doubt that if a white man had committed the assault, he'd have been out looking for any 'white bastard' to attack in retribution.

For all the 'I was blinded with rage and completely out of control' rhetoric, there's usually a calculated level of self-preservation in these kind of revenge attacks. Somehow the seeker-of-vengeance doesn't walk into a situation where there's a high likelihood that he'll come off worse. They target someone who's at a disadvantage: someone who's isolated, part of a minority, not surrounded by a crowd of supporters; someone who's not expecting an attack and won't know how to respond; someone who won't be armed; someone weaker, drunker, somehow incapacitated.

It's a rare seeker-of-vengeance who'll wade straight into a pub packed with '[insert target group here] bastards' and pick a fight he's going to lose in five seconds.

And even when they do, it's not a noble sacrifice. It's all part of this same toxic culture of male pride and male violence and men who can't be expected to articulate their feelings or control their actions. It doesn't fix anything and it has nothing to do with the victim of the original crime.

I'm so sick of this notion that men who are suffering great distress will walk around like a loaded gun. There's no innate need for it. It's not a spontaneous, too-fast-to-control response, like punching someone who just spat in your face. It's a choice, and involves thought processes and deliberate actions. It's about asserting control when you feel furious, devastated and helpless, and it's alternately tutted at (well, he really shouldn't have, but you can see how...), excused (how would YOU feel if your friend had been raped/your father had died/you'd lost your job) or fetishished (all those revenge films).

In general, there's no cultural assumption that women will assault blameless strangers in a fog of rage. We are expected to process our grief/fury/fear in a civilized way. And we mostly do. There's no physical reason why a woman couldn't pick up a gun and perpetrate the kind of mass shootings which are the extremist end of indiscriminate male rage (there's invariably a inciting incident: a loss, a humiliation, a bereavement) but somehow it rarely happens.

I think we need to be honest about how we tacitly accept or enable this behaviour. Some of the response to the Neeson interview reminds me of the Warwick controversy: but they've said they're sorry, nothing actually happened, what more do you want? There's actually a lot I want, but one thing would be not minimizing this into a whoops I was in the wrong/I'm sorry/oh that's okay then situation. It's bigger than that. I don't doubt Neeson does regret his actions, but the way he speaks about them is jarring, quite oblivious, and doesn't have the effect he intended.

wildbhoysmama · 05/02/2019 10:25

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wildbhoysmama · 05/02/2019 10:30

I'm so sorry, I don't know what happened there. This a new thread and I seem to have pasted it here!

Consolidatedyourloins · 05/02/2019 10:32

@Helendee

To be honest I felt pretty much the same after my son was mugged for the fifth time in as many weeks by guys who happened to be black.

Cool story, bro.

Consolidatedyourloins · 05/02/2019 10:33

These threads are excellent for unearthening racists. until they name change

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