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Liam Neeson

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PatricksRum · 04/02/2019 13:12

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/liam-neeson-rape-black-man-attack-cosh-cold-pursuit-sexual-assault-interview-a8760866.html

Why is The Independent acting so casual towards this blatant act of racism?

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NothingOnTellyAgain · 04/02/2019 18:32

"It was all in his head. "

He got a weapon and hit the streets hoping to have a chance to use it.

He could have been killed himself / as well as killed somene else.

How does this possibly help his friend?

You're all nuts.

This type of macho over-reaction is exactly why lots of women on here and elsewhere say they do NOT tell their male loved ones stuff that happens to them. A reaction of random senseless revenge / violence is not helpful in any way whatsoever.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 04/02/2019 18:34

"“She handled the situation of the rape in the most extraordinary way,” Neeson said during the interview, which can be read in full here. “But my immediate reaction was ... did she know who it was? No. What colour were they? She said it was a black person.

“I went up and down areas with a cosh, hoping I’d be approached by somebody. I’m ashamed to say that, and I did it for maybe a week – hoping some [Neeson gestures air quotes with his fingers] ‘black bastard’ would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something, you know? So that I could kill him.”"

Helpful reaction and totally the right thing to do.

Well done Liam for showing such compassion!

Yep, mad.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 04/02/2019 18:34

"“She handled the situation of the rape in the most extraordinary way,” Neeson said during the interview, which can be read in full here. “But my immediate reaction was ... did she know who it was? No. What colour were they? She said it was a black person.

“I went up and down areas with a cosh, hoping I’d be approached by somebody. I’m ashamed to say that, and I did it for maybe a week – hoping some [Neeson gestures air quotes with his fingers] ‘black bastard’ would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something, you know? So that I could kill him.”"

Helpful reaction and totally the right thing to do.

Well done Liam for showing such compassion!

Yep, mad.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 04/02/2019 18:37

I would have thougth his friends reaction, if she knew, would be

Fear that he would hurt some random bloke
Fear for him either by being hurt back or gettign in trouble with police
Desperate attempts to stop him

Yes that is exactly what women want when they tell a loved one that they have been assaulted. For him to fuck off out the door in a rage with a cosh, rather than staying and helping them with stuff.

V compassionate.

Bluntness100 · 04/02/2019 18:44

I don't think picking up a weapon and trying to find a random man to attack is showing much compassion for a rape victim tbh

Don't be so ludicrous. Have you seen neeson? The size of him when he was younger? If he wanted to hit someone he would have. It's not hard to find someone is it. He was hardly searching Antarctica. The fact he didn't says it all. He didn't touch anyone. Not even a hair on someone's head.

Bluestitch · 04/02/2019 18:44

Well said Nothing.

Bluestitch · 04/02/2019 18:46

The fact he didn't says it all. He didn't touch anyone. Not even a hair on someone's head.

What does it say? He admits he wanted a black person to approach him so he had an excuse. Thank god nobody did.

HoraceCope · 04/02/2019 18:51

He felt this way for a week,
totally understandable, It was a rage

IhateBoswell · 04/02/2019 19:27

It's understandable to have a rage about it yes, quite another to actively look for any black man to take that rage out on.

His second question was "what colour is he".

His story seems to be one of getting over revenge rather than the racism he admits to in the same article.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 04/02/2019 19:39

BBC piece

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47117177

MrsSmudge · 04/02/2019 20:10

It is being dealt with too casually.

It was a terrible thing to have done (no debate). But talking about it now, like this, shows that Neeson doesn't realise how terrible.

Unless he's prepared to retire now. If he wanted to do more than promote a film with this confession he would have gone about it very differently.

(And it was racist, not just a reprisal-there's an unavoidable history of lynching Black men as sexual predators. There's already some very intelligent articles bring written in response).

GunpowderGelatine · 04/02/2019 20:12

No it's not "totally understandable" to want to go and attack any old black man when you find your friend has been raped. And as a PP said, not helpful to his friend. We need to stop thinking men who are bags of uncontrollable, violent rage like this think or behave normally.

FromEden · 04/02/2019 20:21

(And it was racist, not just a reprisal-there's an unavoidable history of lynching Black men as sexual predators

In northern Ireland?

LuYu · 04/02/2019 20:30

It's madness to act like this was some form of compassion or extreme empathy.

Reacting to a woman being sexually assaulted by random acts of retributory violence towards someone of the same race (or nationality, or religion) as the perpetrator has nothing to do with compassion, or the woman's feelings. It doesn't ensure justice or make this or any other women safer.

It's pure, violent, toxic rage and usually directed towards a group that's a minority or at some other disadvantage. It's characteristic of male-dominated societies who barely register their women as human, but react viciously and indiscriminately towards any violation of their honour. How the woman actually feels about this is secondary (at best) to the male's right to express his fury by maiming or killing someone who has no personal connection or culpability to the assault. It's why even the rumour of a black man raping a white woman in the old South would oblige all black men to go into hiding while the Ku Klux Klan went out riding looking for retribution.

And it's not enough to effectively say 'yes, I felt like this, and I acted on this, but luckily I didn't hurt anyone and I regret it very much'. Telling a story like this (at a press junket promoting your latest revenge fantasy movie) demonstrates a deep, oblivious sense of self-importance and entitlement, like you are to be lauded for your honesty and thanked for your change of heart and it's all about your personal journey.

What about every single person who crossed Neeson's path that night, just students and parents and police officers and bar staff and your son out walking the dog, who unwittingly were at the risk of having the shit kicked out of them for absolutely no reason? What about people who still deal with that every day, because they're part of a visible minority and are easily targeted when some bloke decides on a bit of collective punishment?

It's not okay just because he regrets it, especially in the context of that promotional interview where he claims that seeing violent vengeance enacted on screen, over and over, sates people instead of stoking up their own revenge fantasies and normalizing the concept.

If his friend had been hit by a car, would we have been okay with him driving up and down the motorway for a week, blind drunk and hoping to hit someone, because fuck those car-driving bastards? If his friend had been assaulted by a police officer, would we be understanding (it's okay, because he regrets it) with him walking the streets hoping to catch a police man or woman's eye and beat them senseless for being in the wrong place with the wrong uniform?

Just because someone says they regret something doesn't mean we can't continue to be revolted by their behaviour, especially when we see it happening again and again in society.

GunpowderGelatine · 04/02/2019 20:33

@LuYu excellent post, you have put this far more eloquently than I have!

How do people think black and mix raced men must feel reading this, followed by minimising comments of "oh it's ok he's saying he's sorry!". How would you feel if he'd stated that his friend had been beaten by another woman and he went out for days looking for a woman to batter?

MrsSmudge · 04/02/2019 20:42

Yes, Northern Ireland is not immune from racism! Lynchings are an example of the long history of this attitude to black men, and they don't to have happened in your town for you to be affected by the stereotype, its part of culture.

FromEden · 04/02/2019 20:46

But there is no history of "black men being lynched as sexual predators" in northern Ireland is there? Why apply American history to this? Northern Ireland has its own troubled history which does go someway towards explaining the attitude neeson displayed. It's was a common mentality at the time. If his friend said it was a Protestant who raped her, he would have gone looking for a Protestant to start a fight with.

Fact is, he didn't do anything. He knows it was wrong and has changed his attitudes in the years since. What do people want to happen?

Coyoacan · 04/02/2019 20:48

Thank you @LuYu, that is what I was trying to say.

If this had happened in Northern Ireland, would he have asked was it a protestant or a catholic? Stupid vile ways we have of dividing up society and making everyone from a group that we have put them in pay for the crime of another.

That man was racist and is still racist.

Consolidatedyourloins · 04/02/2019 20:50

The number of people twisting themselves in knots trying to defend LN on this thread is laughable.

What he said was racist, OP. He wouldn't have said 'Irish bastard'. The use of the man's colour was said in a negative way, hence it is racist.

Bluestitch · 04/02/2019 20:53

Why did he need to tell this story at all? And not even acknowledge the racism? I saw someone on twitter state that 'even telling the story demonstrates a level of privilege' with regards to there not being repercussions, and I think it's a good point.

I'm also a bit Hmm at the idea that Liam Neeson is some defender of women given some of his dismissive comments about the metoo movement recently.

MrsSmudge · 04/02/2019 20:56

The culture is very relevant, and it's ignorant to claim that attitude only applies in the USA.

And it's very problematic that he's chosen to make this confession while promoting his film.

Bluestitch · 04/02/2019 20:56

Yep. Wanted to know the attacker's race. Got a weapon and went out every night hoping to provoke a 'black bastard', because any black man will do. And people still tie themselves in knots to deny racist motives.

CatsPawsAndWhiskers · 04/02/2019 21:04

I suppose he wouldn't have been thinking sensibly at the time. Anger obviously took over.

But to talk about it now, after the initial shock and anger has worn off and tell people what he felt and did seems like madness. Unless he was saying 'this is how I felt, this is what I didn't, I was angry and I can see how wrong I was.' Anything else is just racist.

FromEden · 04/02/2019 21:10

The culture is very relevant, and it's ignorant to claim that attitude only applies in the USA.

The history of racism the US, including lynchings has literally nothing to do with northern Ireland. This incident has nothing to do with that and everything to do with the mentality of many people in northern Ireland at the time.

I don't agree with what he did btw but why can't he acknowledge his mistakes, when the rest of society has done so and come to see that the attitudes that prevailed during the troubles were wrong? What do you want to happen to him, many many years after the incident in which noone was harmed and which he has clearly stated was shameful and wrong?

Bluestitch · 04/02/2019 21:15

Where did he say in the interview that the racism was wrong? He didn't.

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