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AIBU to consider reporting this small grocery shop to Action Fraud?

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gingerbread88 · 30/01/2019 20:28

My son (12) was walking to the local park over the weekend with two friends. He has a debit card so stopped at a corner shop type convenience store to buy a drink and a chocolate bar.
He used his card via chip and pin and on the hand held card reader it said 'approved' but the man serving in the shop said it hadn't gone through and he was told to do it again. He did it again and again he saw 'approved' on the machine but the man claimed it hadn't gone through so his friend paid the £2.19 for him.
As they turned to leave the shop, an aggressive older lady came out from the back of the shop and demanded (shouting) they 'turn out their pockets, she had seen them on camera from the back of the shop stealing chewing gum from the counter'. All 3 boys were mortified and turned their pockets out and she realised her error and just sort of shrugged and the boys walked out.
My son called me straight away as he was very upset and explained what had happened and my husband then went to the shop straight away to find out what on earth had gone on. The man who was serving in the shop insisted both transactions had failed and that the woman had simply made a mistake in accusing the three boys of stealing. My husband advised them they should be more cautious in accusing customers of stealing.
I went into the bank today as being under 16 he isn't allowed internet banking (bank rule) They printed me off a statement from the computer and there is the 2 x transactions to this shop one after the other for £2.19 each debited from his account.
I went into the shop today to show them the bank statement and the transactions proving his card had been charged and asking why he wasn't given a receipt if the transactions had failed as the man claimed. I also said I was upset that aside from this, he and his friends were falsely accused of stealing and had been made to turn their pockets out. The woman was very defensive and aggressive towards me and started ranting and shouting and said she is sick of kids stealing from her, went into story after story of how people come into her shop and steal, the police do nothing, they have been told they have the right to get people to turn their pockets out as 'police won't come'. Even minors I asked as I had suggested it would have been better for them to call the police or parents as the children felt threatened and intimidated. Having experienced her wrath and anger this evening I have a very good idea of how she behaves in her shop.
When I showed the transactions had gone through she refused to accept it, saying he must have been in there 3 x and bought other things and she wanted to see times as just the date was not good enough. It was like talking to a brick wall and she was shouting and telling me to 'shut up'. When I asked to see the gentleman who had served my son and see what he had to say, he said there must be something wrong with the machine as the transactions didn't go through. The son of the couple came down and was trying to pacify the situation and was more reasonable and gave me the £4.40 out of the till.
I have left there feeling like they are fraudsters and preying on youngsters going into their shop (it is used a lot by school children as it is on a senior school route) Possibly the incorrect change here and there or like in my son's case, telling a minor his card hasn't gone through thus repeating transactions. He had ended up paying for a drink and a chocolate bar 3 x over.
Maybe they think all young people who use their shop are thieves and they have a right to claw back some of their stolen stock, who knows what they are thinking. The more I think about it, if it was a genuine mistake and it has 'never happened before' as they claimed to me today, and there must be a 'problem with their machine' some sort of receipt should have been printed or given to show a declined transaction. I have no idea about these hand held machines small businesses use. As an adult we would be more savvy with this and request it, kids do as they are told by adults so they are taking advantage of this I now feel in hindsight.
I am unsure whether to let it go as we got the money back out of the till or whether to make a report to Action Fraud or to Barclays as they may be doing this to lots of youngsters and it's not nice and to be honest their attitude was horrible.
Sorry for the long post!

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little0miss0mac · 30/01/2019 20:33

Awful. Your poor DS. Trading Standards is probably the right starting point.

TheFuckfaceWhisperer · 30/01/2019 20:34

Yes, they need reporting

gingerbread88 · 30/01/2019 20:36

I feel petty as it's barely a fiver but it all just feels so wrong and unjust and her attitude was shocking, so aggressive and defensive.
I empathised with her that she has problems with shoplifters but I want to make sure if there is a bigger problem here in them short changing people and charging multiple times on purpose they are found out.
Thanks, I hadn't thought of Trading Standards...

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Littleraindrop15 · 30/01/2019 20:39

Doesn't matter about the amount it's the principle you don't go round giving charity to shops!!

Sexnotgender · 30/01/2019 20:42

I’d definitely report them to trading standards.

AGHHHH · 30/01/2019 20:42

Yanbu, that's disgusting. Report them.

Usuallyinthemiddle · 30/01/2019 20:46

Please report it. And warn your children's friends parents. Xx

DogInATent · 30/01/2019 20:48

You report them to the Police for a criminal offence. Ring 101.

glenthebattleostrich · 30/01/2019 20:48

For you it's only a fiver bit if they do it to 20 people per week it's over £5k per year.

Absolutely report them.

avinitall · 30/01/2019 20:49

Report them.
Some shopkeepers really do take against children/teenagers very unfairly.

YourFly · 30/01/2019 20:50

Her telling me to Shut Up would have made my mind up, CF Hmm

Coronapop · 30/01/2019 20:54

It is not petty to pursue it, the amount may be small but it appears that they are cheats, deliberately targeting youngsters who lack the life experience to argue their case.

ReflectentMonatomism · 30/01/2019 20:59

Small shops: most of them deserve to go bust, as they believe that they have a right to do whatever they want, so long as it doesn't include "being helpful and pleasant to customers".

If your son had been in a big chain the systems would have been working, there would have been a receipt (and in the limit CCTV) and in any event the staff on the tills would have no financial incentive to scam him via card as they can't get hold of the money. In a small shop staffed by elderly angry people none of that's true. Moral: walk past small shops, they aren't worth the hassle. Tell your son the same, that he's better off in Tesco Express.

gingerbread88 · 30/01/2019 21:02

@Coronapop - yes very well put and that's how I feel in my mind really.
I have a niggling doubt that maybe there is a glitch in their machine but no receipt given 🤔
Absolutely feel they wouldn't do this to an adult.
I teach my children to respect adults, teachers, do as you are told, act polite etc etc so he didn't feel he could question it.
Ended up paying £6.60 for a bottle of drink and a chocolate bar. Robbery!

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DollyRose · 30/01/2019 21:04

You need to report.
My local shop (well known and a lovely family) used to do something like this. They would add £50p here £1.00 there when adding up shopping. We just let it go. It all adds up. When they got really comfortable my mum started noticing it was now around £8.00 extra whenever buying groceries. I finally went in and said something.The son's said it was their mother who must have been doing it accidentally due to old age. They've just had a shop refurb and I'm now thinking us locals have definitely paid for it.

gingerbread88 · 30/01/2019 21:07

@ReflectentMonatomism - precisely, I couldn't have worded it better myself. This shop is certainly staffed by elderly, angry people who see all young people as the enemy. I had to stand there listening to her shouting and ranting about how much of a victim they are, that's why they accused my son and his friends, happens all the time blah blah. Perhaps they feel they are entitled to charge minors debit cards multiple times or short change and over-charge kids as they are robbed by them. I have no idea.
I told him he isn't to use his card where his pocket money goes in any of those small shops because of this. Fair enough the Co-Op or Tesco Express walking to school but he's opening himself up to fraud on his card in small shops like this.
Shame really but there you go.
I have ordered him a new card as a precaution.
Thanks for the advice everyone, helpful.

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gingerbread88 · 30/01/2019 21:08

Gosh @DollyRose that's awful.
So easy to just pretend it's doddery old mother when confronted with it. It's making me more cross hearing stories like this.
You want to support small businesses and 'shop local' and all that but they are really shooting themselves in the foot aren't they 😔

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Tjzmummabear · 30/01/2019 21:09

Dollyrose I think we live in sa me place

MitziK · 30/01/2019 21:10

Also email the school, as they need to know that the kids are being scammed and threatened by the shop owners. It might turn out that there are a lot of kids who have had it happen, but without a record from parents, they're assuming it is the kids being a problem - if a child walks in there with stuff from another shop and gets forcibly searched, not only could they end up with a conviction as a result, they could then be punished by the school for bringing it into disrepute - if they haven't actually done anything wrong, that's completely unfair and your email might save another child from that.

It'll also give them the ability to deal with shop complaints knowing what they are really like, rather than thinking all the kids behave appallingly in there.

(They'll probably tell the kids that they need to stop using that shop)

BejamNostalgia · 30/01/2019 21:13

YANBU at all to report them, but they’ll do fuck all. Action are a complete shower of useless shits. I had dealings with them when working for a place which Anjem Choudary’s brother defrauded to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds of government funding used to fund terrorism.

They did fuck all very slowly in that case, so I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for them to do anything.

BumbleBeee69 · 30/01/2019 21:14

robbing GITS, poor kids, yes report them OP Flowers

Dollymixture22 · 30/01/2019 21:16

So they stole from your son, then accused him of stealing?

These people are dishonest bullies and should be reported.

Igotthemheavyboobs · 30/01/2019 21:16

Report this OP! They will be doing this to loads of children, I bet the stealing accusation bit is part of the scam. Screaming at them and getting them to empty out their pockets suggests to me they are trying to deflect the transactions issue and force the children remember this part instead.

Hope your son is okay, tell him to avoid that shop in future!

BejamNostalgia · 30/01/2019 21:16

Trading standards are useless and corrupt in many areas too. They take kick backs.

crazycatgal · 30/01/2019 21:18

Definitely report them!

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