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Was I naive?

47 replies

Beenaroundtheworld19 · 28/01/2019 14:13

Two years ago, I became increasingly close to a colleague . We just got into a habit of nightly weekend messaging ... started with funny memes etc and progressed to deeper talks . I am older and married. He is single . I would listen/ advise etc about relationships: general life stuff . Great fun, no worries at all . Messaging got more intense in quantity and in quality and then came the personal and professional compliments . No harm in that I thought. I am married. He knows this. I continue to speak casually about my husband and children on a daily basis.

Chats became deeper... his struggles with commitment and sexuality . I thought he was bi and encouraged him to enjoy his life exploring who he is . He gets more complimentary towards me ..on the physical angle . I was very flattered but in no way attracted to him physically . I got the impression that he maybe admired me and respected me . I encouraged flings and relationships and as he struggles with his sexuality, I tried to encourage him to accept who he is and embrace himself .
In the meantime , he meets a girl ... she seems lovely . The more information he tells me, the more I realise how desperate and needy she is. She has had a series of disasterous relationships , basically emotional abuse and her sexual vulnerability abused also .

My friend meanwhile tells me that he doesn’t have sex anymore as he realises that he doesn’t like it . That’s fine . He has told his girlfriend . She is quite sexual he tells me , but has agreed to a sexless relationship . Also fine . His own business . He also tells her that he wants a slow relationship eg meet whenever he is free . She is fine with this too. Lovely . Not my business . However , he asks my opinion and I gave it . I told him that I think he is using her as a convenience and is settling for someone who will not put sexual or personal demands on him as long as she is in a relationship . She has lived with men since she was 18 years old. Is now in her late 20’s and asked my friend out a month after an eight year relationship ended . Has chased him for the last year .

My problem is that he continues to message all through the day and while I have really detached , he is pursuing the friendship more and more . I do not want to be this close anymore . We work together all day long . He talks about his girlfriend by dropping her name into conversation sometimes .almost like he is trying to convince me of his intentions.. which are none of my business . I was honest. I think he doesn’t care too much about her whereas she adores him but I understand why a man would settle with a woman who doesn’t put demands on him , however wrong and awful it is on her . My feelings towards him have changed . I dont seem to respect him as much anymore and I really dislike listening to all the excuses he tells me demonstrating how everybody else is a priority except for this girl but painting it like he is a knight in shining armour who has saved her from a life of misery .

To conclude , am I naive to think that this man is genuine albeit with serious issues or is he a player who was inappropriate and trying to get his ego fed at any expense?any advice on how to move away from him without leaving my precious and much loved job ...

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Melroses · 28/01/2019 16:11

You will always encounter people who want more from you than you can give. Just find an excuse not to talk and move on.

HoustonBess · 28/01/2019 16:13

Yeah just say something like 'I don't feel comfortable with this any more, it's all got a bit intense. Can we dial it back a bit and just chat or have coffee now and again'

You were getting something out of this when he was being complimentary, now you're getting nothing out of it. It sounds unhealthy.

HeebieJeebies456 · 28/01/2019 16:25

I think you're being deliberately obtuse OP.....or you really are that naive.

I'm not surprised you haven't made your dh aware of the extent of your 'friendship'.....to a lot of people this level of contact/intimacy is bordering on an emotional affair.....

Beenaroundtheworld19 · 28/01/2019 16:29

Thanks for the replies. He is still being complimentary!! This is a big part in of the problem. It has become too intense and inappropriate . How to accept that I have been naive and detach is what has upset me . I believed that we had a solid mutual friendship but what we had it seems, was a one sided friendship where I go too involved and invested , as some posters rightly pointed

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Beenaroundtheworld19 · 28/01/2019 16:30

No emotional affair. Absolutely not !

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Fairenuff · 28/01/2019 16:30

OP, in the kindest way, it just strikes me that you are being a bit like your friend. You have asked for advice here and everyone has told you to step back, dial it down, tell him straight, etc. Yet you keep ignoring the advice and going on about it Grin

Are you the sort of person who likes drama/attention?

Beenaroundtheworld19 · 28/01/2019 16:34

No! I have listened and accept what posters have said. I can see that I was too involved and invested. Almost trying to help someone who could help themselves but for some reason I got sucked in. As for liking attention and drama... the answer is no

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ZoeZebra1 · 28/01/2019 16:36

Reading it, you enjoyed the friendship when he was single and paying compliments and now he is a relationship and no longer taking your advise and paying the compliments it's no longer enjoyable.

I would not be happy if my DH had this kind of friendship with a female work colleague. How would you feel about your DH messaging a young sexually confused girl this frequently and being this involved in her life?

I think you have overstepped the boundaries of a normal friendship, and certainly of work colleagues.

My advice would be to tell him you have given it thought and feel uncomfortable with the intensity and topics of conversation and would like to draw back.

You were not naive, I think actually you were a victim of your own ego and should have stepped back long ago.

If I were sceptical I would say that you enjoyed the flattery and attention a bit too much and perhaps your friend was naive thinking you were acting solely in his interest.

Beenaroundtheworld19 · 28/01/2019 17:04

I cannot understand what it is about my responses to posts that would make you think that I was acting in any other interests than his. I find that insulting to read . We all enjoy a bit of flattery . He still compliments me and looks for guidance in different areas. Like all my friends do and me to them! His issues with his girlfriend etc are just one topic of our chats together .however they seem to have become an obsession for him to try to convince me , for some reason , about how fantastic he is as a boyfriend and how he has essentially saved this woman which , again, I know to be bullshit so I don’t want to discuss this with him anymore as it’s just going around in circles .My friendship with him was , I thought, mutual. Evidently it wasn’t . Again, I will be taking the overwhelming advice her to withdraw and pull back. My husband is as comfortable with my friendship with him as he is with my friendship with all my friends... make and female. There is nothing to hide . My husband has female friendships and they are very important to him and I also respect that.

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RightOh · 28/01/2019 17:12

Seeing your replies OP....are you sure you don't have feelings for him?

You say you're married; are you happy with your DH? What does he think and feel about this guy?

Beenaroundtheworld19 · 28/01/2019 17:18

I have absolutely no romantic feelings at all. My husband really enjoys his company and finds him very kind and caring towards our children . He cannot understand why he hasn’t met a nice Man ‘ to settle down with yet ...

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DoneLikeAKipper · 28/01/2019 17:26

He cannot understand why he hasn’t met a nice Man ‘ to settle down with yet

So your husband is over invested in his personal life as well? Reading between the lines, it’s sounds like you’ve decided he’s actually gay and are trying to be the one that ‘got him out of the closet’. You read like you’re pissed off he went ‘against your advice’ and is in a relationship with a woman instead Hmm.

Beenaroundtheworld19 · 28/01/2019 17:29

What?? Where did I give any impression that I thought he was gay???? Never... because I don’t!!!!

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DoneLikeAKipper · 28/01/2019 17:40

Chats became deeper... his struggles with commitment and sexuality . I thought he was bi and encouraged him to enjoy his life exploring who he is

He cannot understand why he hasn’t met a nice Man ‘ to settle down with yet

You are encouraging him to ‘explore his sexuality’, your husband assumes he needs to settle down with a man, you evidently think your advice of chasing his ‘gay side’ is what he should be doing and instead he’s in a ‘sexless relationship with a woman’, which is obviously irritating you. All your words.

Beenaroundtheworld19 · 28/01/2019 17:53

.., my advice of chasing his ‘ gay side’ .???.. wtf!! Not my words , ever ! Your post is an excellent example of taking replies out of context . You choose specific sentences , take them out of specific replies, put them all together... all out of Context, add some phrases of your own, psychoanalyse the whole lot of it and deliver your verdict of .... I’m not happy that he isn’t gay and is in now a sexless relationship with a woman ??? I actually cant even get my head round this opinion ! But thank you for taking time to respond !

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DoneLikeAKipper · 28/01/2019 18:00

Your post is an excellent example of taking replies out of context

I have directly quoted you regarding his sexuality and you explicitly saying you’d been advising him. You the said

He has chosen to ignore advice as is his prerogative and I totally respect that but I don’t really want to be convinced of his honourable intentions etc as it is not my business.

I’m not sure exactly what I’ve ‘taken out of context’, your issues seem mostly around his relationship choices and not following your advice. Why mention his sexuality and his current relationship choices if they weren’t relevant to you?

Beenaroundtheworld19 · 28/01/2019 18:30

My issues are simply that I have been completely overly invested in this friendship to a level that I don’t want to be . I want to detach and wanted to know how to do this when we are so close and work together all the time .i have never been in this position before . You quoted me directly and then added some . I couldnt give a jot what sexual orientation he is but it has overtaken what I thought was a mutual friendship to the verge of an obsession that I unwittingly found myself in the centre of , despite thinking I was just being a friend. It really is that simple , he has become emotionally dependant on me and it’s my own bloody fault!!!!! He keeps asking for guidance and help , I give it, he ignores it and the cycle continues. I’m sick of it that’s the bottom line .Thanks everyone for your constructive replies .

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ZoeZebra1 · 28/01/2019 18:59

"Friend, while I have treasured our friendship I need to concentrate on my own relationship and life right now. I wish you every luck and happiness but for now I need to pull back and our relationship needs to be one that is conducted only in the workplace."

FrankieHeckisinTheMiddle · 28/01/2019 19:03

I can’t imagine any circumstances where I would encourage a work colleague to “explore their sexuality”, it’s totally overstepping boundaries and you should never have got involved to this level.

Make it clear to him this has all gone too far and you’re not going to engage any further.

Nettletheelf · 28/01/2019 20:09

A man who likes talking about himself at great and tortuous length to women? Who’dathoughtit?

You’ve been drawn into his needy little world. Detach! It’s flattering to feel like somebody’s confidante but you know that it’s gone too far. Find other interests, and that goes for your husband too.

Beenaroundtheworld19 · 30/01/2019 14:56

Thanks for replies . I have been off line for the last few days. I have read and reread your replies today and agree with the over involvement on my part.
I must detach.I enjoyed being the confidante as we are more friends than colleagues, and that is the way I am.I was sensitive to his anxiety and worry about his problems. Yes he is needy and self obsessed.I got sucked in and even in the two days since I wrote on here, I have pulled right back from conversation and messaging. I have avoided personal topics and at times not replied to messages.

I think, after work in the evenings,that he may have got the message but then I will get a flurry of excited texts about how happy he is and how his life is going so well and how lucky he is to have me as a friend and how similar we are and how we are male/female versions of eachother, so Im not quite sure what his angle is? Maybe he senses me detaching and is afraid of losing the person he discusses all his issues with ?

The more I reflect, the more I was just an agony aunt for him. Thanks everyone.

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Parthenope · 30/01/2019 15:03

What does it matter what his 'angle' is? You're falling back into the trap of obsessing about his motivations.

Think about your own life. What happens if you say 'Enough talk about you -- let's talk about me for a change!' and treat him to a long account of a marital problem, emotional memories of the Man Who Got Away when you were twenty, and a blow-by-blow retelling of the plot of the last film you saw?

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