to think that Morrisons paper bags are a bad idea?

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They are going to charge more for them than for a plastic bag and they cost more in terms on CO2 emissions and energy to make them but decompose quicker. I can't see many people paying more for a paper bag really.

I prefer them because they are not going to end up in the ocean stuffing turtles etc but I'm not convinced that they are good idea from the CO2 and energy perspective and think people won't buy them because they cost more.

I think people who care about stuffing turtles will buy them.

I think people will start remembering their cloth bags when a paper bag is going to cost them 20p. It's a good idea to make the more wasteful options less affordable.

I like the coop bio degradable bags that can be reused for food waste.

That they are using as carrier bags now! (Just realised my post might not make sense )

I wouldn’t like it because the handle isn’t comfortable to hold. However it would be completely my own fault for not remembering to bring a bag myself.

At 20p each most people will bring their own I expect, but people want plastic free so it's giving an option

It doesn't have to be either paper/cloth/single use plastic though.

There's nothing wrong with the really sturdy shopping bags which they sell for about 50p or £1. We have several. They've been used dozens, probably hundreds of times. That's the key.

I get that paper biodegrades. But I'd still think it was better to spend the quid, and keep that bag until it's literally falling to bits than get a new paper one each time.

The 5p bags didn’t stay 5p for long

The paper bags from Primark are hopeless. Always break.

they cost more in terms on CO2 emissions and energy to make them but decompose quicker
I am quite annoyed about this. The current trend is No Plastic, good but it doesn’t mean we can ignore the CO2 problem which IMO is more important in terms of making drastic changes now.

I like the Coop idea too, though I don't really like the Coop.

I thought you were talking about the ones they now have for veg, which are really flimsy and useless if you want to get half a dozen baking potatoes. Two to a bag max...

Best thing would be to increase the charge for the plastic bag to say, £2 . People would soon remember their cloth bags. There is no need for shops to sell the plastic bags. It really annoys me to see people leaving the supermarket with a trolley full of shopping packed in new plastic bags.

I like the primary bags, never had one break but they are not great if it’s raining.

Tesco give paperbags with online orders for fruit and veg.

People should remember to take their own bags shopping or pay the price for a paper bag, I think all plastic bags should stop being sold, including bags for fruit, veg and bakery items.

It is a step in the right direction. All plastic bags need to go. I would shop anywhere that offered me paper bags for veg. They are a touch more of a faff but I reuse them to put food waste in and then they go in the compost bin.

All single use plastic needs to go. We’ve nearly managed to stop using it completely with a few tweaks.

BYO cloth bags are what everyone should have eventually.

When we lived in the US we always got given paper carriers at the supermarket. They were really strong too. Better than the primark ones so it can be done.

It’s nit necessarily more env friendly due to the co2 as you’ve mentioned. Paper is much more expensive than plastic hence the higher costs. I have issue with it as how many will reuse a paper bag? They also take up a lot of space compared to plastic depending upon the design of the bag - I haven’t clicked the link- so would love to know how they ha e found the soace to store them
Back of house.

As PP said Tesco put fruit and veg in paper bags for home delivery. So every week we get 4 or 5 paper bags which go straight in the recycling. We don’t compost due to rats and I don’t have another use for them.

I completely agree that cost of all bags shpuld rise steeply. And manufacturers need to be charged for excess packaging. Can the bags not be made out of recycled paper?.

Best thing would be to increase the charge for the plastic bag to say, £2 . People would soon remember their cloth bags.

Agree with this. Plastic bags are too cheap - makes it seem less about the environment and more about an easy way to make more money, Charging more would work quicker to focus the mind

There is going to be catastrophic climate damage in 12 years if we don’t do something in regards to our plastic consumption (amongst other things). This is a conservative estimate. So yes, paper bags please!

Single use plastic is literally killing the planet and I don’t know why more people aren’t hugely concerned about this. The planet temperature is set to rise 1.5 degrees. Your kids aren’t going to have a home to live on. So start doing SOMETHING.

www.ipcc.ch - IPCC report on climate change. Give it a read.

I hwtebpaier bags though. Primark bags never last (i’ve yet to get one home in one piece), Scotland is not a great place for paper bags, bag years ago I had a paper carrier from lush in bad rain. Standing st the traistation platform the arse fell out of the sodden bag and two bath bombs rolled away and off the platform 😧

I also think that they need to stop shops/ manufacturers packaging everything in plastic. That would make a massive difference.

I'm shocked at how much of the plastic wrapping from fruit/veg/ bakery, (well, pretty much everything, really!) cannot be recycled.

In other European countries, it's very common to keep 'klapp' boxes in your car. These are collapsible plastic boxes used for packing your shopping into, which can then be carried into the house and unpacked, and because they fold flat they don't take up much room and can be kept in the trunk of your car.

Amazon prime now home shopping delivery use paper bags, and they're really strong.

I understand that the manufacturing process is not great for the environment but they do biodegrade, and more trees will be planted to help offset the co2 damage, we can't carry on with the huge plastic use.

I reuse my bags, if I don't remember to take them with me I just put the stuff back in the trolley or basket and unload it loose into the car. Tesco told me I had to buy a plastic bag and couldn't take the basket the out of shop. I carried on anyway and told her if security had a problem they could walk me to the car and carry my basket back.

I do think it's ironic that Morrison's are introducing paper bags to reduce plastic waste when their loose apples are 33 pence each but you can by 6 prepacked on plastic for only 1.50, same with their oranges, and don't get me started on people putting bananas into bags, and why if you're buying half a dozen baking potatoes do you need a bag? Just chuck em in your trolley and put them in your shopping bag