to already be fecked off with the smoking ban?!?

[divastrop]

because i live across the road from a bar,which was never a problem before,as the music is never very loud and dd1,who is in one of the front bedrooms,was always fast asleep by kicking out time.

but tonight there are about 30 people standing outside smoking,and of course,because they have been in a noisy bar and have probably been drinking,they are all talking really loud,and my dd cant get to sleep.

why does this government have to dictate to people?why cant pubs and clubs choose whether they want to allow smoking or not,and people choose whether they want to go to a place where smoking is allowed or not?

i feel for you. we used to have a club oposite our house and the noise in the summer was a nightmare. I am sure there must be someone you can complain to.

Contact your local council - the pub licence will be contingent on them not having rowdy customers outside their premises as well as inside. The environmental health noise team could also be interested.

Really soprry you are having to deal with this. Contact your council to complain.

Have to disagree about the ban thing though. To me it is wonderful. When to a lovely wine bar this afternoon whilst DD was at a aprty. Don't normally go as so smoky, esp now friend is pregnant. Today it was fab!

Sorry about the noise, diva, must be very frustrating. Agree with you on the ban.

i didnt think of that.i know they have notices up near the doors asking customers to keep the noise down when leaving...why should it be different if they are outside having a fag?

i would have thought most places would have taken this into consideration,maybe they could have set aside an area out the back or something.

Ban is here to stay and quite right but you shouldn't have to put up with noisey smokers either, do contact environmental health. I am sure there will be quite a few cases like this to sort out in the first few months of the ban.

Complain to the Council - environmental health are primed to deal with this.

The ban has been in place up here in Scotland for ages now, and it is honestly the best thing that has ever happened. Fresh clean air whichever venue you go to, and no more meals being spoiled by smokers. Trust me - we had the usual moans and groans when it first came in, but now it works well.

Skribble, you are being a bit unreasonable. If you force people outdoors, noise will go up. Doesn't have anything necessarily to do with them being particularly loud, just having a critical mass of people outside instead of inside. Entirely predictable result of the ban. And unavoidable, what's the government going to do, fit silencers on people standing outside pubs?

I only know this as I temped at a local authority last year in the consumer protection directorate. Twas a lot of work to be ready for the ban from that side of things as well .

Don't think anyone's being unreasonable - if your child can't get to sleep, then that's unreasonable. Every right to contact Env. Health.

also, there is another side of the arguement that you chose to live near a bar

quite like the argument given to those that live under the flight path who moan about increased flights, noise, etc etc

??? sorry how am I being unreasonable??? I am not OP. Perhaps my post was worded badly and not clear?

well,maybe the last bit of my op was just an angry rant,i realise the ban has been brought in for a good reason,and is here to stay regardless of my opinion on it.

i will certainly complain,though,if it continues.

It's still worth mentioning it to EH if the noise persists after a few days - I'm sure the pub won't want to miff off the neighbours. It may be possible to find a solution - is there a beer garden they can go to for their fix which isn't so close to the street?

It may be teething problems with people not necessarily realising how loud they can sound at night.

I do sympathise with you, divastrop, but now I know DH wont't get an asthema atack after being in a pub, I really can't say anything against the ban at the moment.

hana-its a housing association property,we were offered it,we didnt choose to live accross from a bar,we had to weigh up the pro's and con's!

I don't think Diva is being unreasonable at all, I'd be hacked off in her shoes. I thought Skribble was unreasonable talking about noisy smokers - you inevitably get more noise if people are outdoors.

hang on hana. I have little sympathy with people who choose to live near bars/stations/flight paths/schools then complain about the nuisance factor. BUT people who live near otherwise quiet bars/pubs/restaurants now have the noise of people standing outside to smoke. So there's been a change in the situation since they bought their properties. So they do have my sympathy. Unlike the other moaning minnies who complain that people park outside their houses to catch the tram. When the road doesn't belong to them and the tram station was there way before they bought their houses.

dont know why i put 's in pros and cons?

hangon lilolilmanchester
I have a great deal of sympathy for the op, devil's advocate if you will. And things change - we live under heathrow's flight path and flights are increasing all the time, and now talk of a 3rd runway and a 6th terminal before the 5th is even open for business......so I do have sympathy

Perhaps you'll be reprieved when it starts raining divastrop? - I'm hoping )probably naively) that the ban will help people quit as they won't go out for a social fag so often - especially come winter - so hopefully the noise will naturally reduce over time. fingers crossed for you.

Peace Hana! must be awful for you, YOU have my sympathy too!

It's teething problems

There'll be complaints, pub will ensure noise is kept down because it won't want to lose its licence, winter will come and they won't want to get cold, lots of 'em will either give up or stop coming to the pub.

Problem solved.

But get on to the council anyway to give it a nudge along...

Smokers who are being noisy are Noisy Smokers , and probably bloody annoying if up until now all the noisy chatter shouting and inane giggling has been contained in the pub.

We had hellish problems with a pub that became a club, I didn't buy a flat opposite it was on the next street but the noise bounced of all the buildings and noise from the loos at the rear carried too.

End result, we put in double glazing at great cost as they had to be sash style units,
the club had to control music levels, glaze entire front of pub with glass bricks behind what had just been single pane (the entire frontage over two floors), double glaze toilet windows and put in a thicker back door.

Is there anyway the bar can have a smokers area around the back? Hopfully things will be better in the winter, when people decide to give up smoking, rather than get cold. ( unless you live in the north, ofcourse, where people are HARD!)