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To be utterly confused by Car Seat laws

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Madonnaslonglostbeautyspot · 18/01/2019 10:55

Basically, I am traveling with my family back to the UK from the US to see my parents. It’s the first time I have been back in nearly 5 years. I have a 14 year old, an 8 year old and a 4 year old who is 3 1/2 stone (or about 22 kg). Am I correct in thinking:

  • My 14 year old does not need a car seat
  • My 8 year old (132cm) does not need a car seat. She is heavy for her age. Approx 6 stone (38kg) I think.
  • My 4 year old SHOULD have a car seat . Backless booster is acceptable but one with a back would be preferable.
I have looked this up online but am just so confused. Any advice or knowledge would be appreciated.
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greenelephantscarf · 18/01/2019 10:58

you are correct.
however ideally both the 8yo and 3yo should be in a high back booster, as that's the safest option.

FinnJuhl · 18/01/2019 11:00

The law is age and height (not weight). Over 12 OR over 135cm and you do not need a car seat.

Racecardriver · 18/01/2019 11:01

It’s more about height that weight. Car seats are designed for adults. Booster ensure that seatbelts fit properly on children (I.e. that they are taught across the lap and go across the shoulder jog the neck).

HotInWinter · 18/01/2019 11:03

The 8 yr old needs a carseat - over 135cm (or 12y) to be ok without a seat. A booster cushion is fine.

How tall is the 4 yr old? And when would the carseat be bought? If it's an old one, they are legally ok in a booster cushion. If it's a new seat (post 2017), she needs to be over 22kg, and over 125cm.

Mumofaprinny · 18/01/2019 11:03

8 year old and 3 year old should have a high back booster each. Search joie trillo and britax adventure. Both of these are very safe seats and are budget friendly. You can buy cheaper ones but none of them are great safety wise eg graco.

Mumofaprinny · 18/01/2019 11:04

Sorry 4 year old.

Madonnaslonglostbeautyspot · 18/01/2019 11:06

We aren’t coming until August. I am guessing there is a good chance the 8 year old would be over 135cm by then the rate she grows! My son (4 year old) is 122cm and is actually 22kg now. Again, I am guessing he could be 125cm by then .

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Madonnaslonglostbeautyspot · 18/01/2019 11:09

We do have car seats and boosters here already but we will be moving around , not always with access to a car. Was just trying to figure out the minimum we need to bring with us. All the ones we have are at least 5-6 years old.

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greenelephantscarf · 18/01/2019 11:10

sorry, got the hight wrong.
yes both younger dc need a car seat. a high back one is the safest option

Madonnaslonglostbeautyspot · 18/01/2019 11:11

Thanks for all the quick responses by the way... still a little confused but I think it might be better to go overboard with the safety .

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BertieBotts · 18/01/2019 11:20

They are a bit of a mess because old laws have been adapted to conform to more up to date knowledge on safety plus you've got two sets of legislation running in parallel at the moment. Yours aren't really young enough for the double set to worry you though as it's only really affecting baby and toddler seats at the minute.

Your 14 year old - Correct. They don't need a seat regardless of size, they are over 12.

Your 8yo:
Legally - She needs a car seat until she grows another 3cm, 135cm is the minimum to go without. The right car seat would be a high backed booster or a backless booster. Don't worry about weight even though these seats are rated to 36kg - this is essentially irrelevant, as long as she is not deforming the seat (unlikely) as the adult seatbelt will take her weight in a crash.

Realistically - Nobody is checking with a ruler - you could get away with not using one.

Ideally - You want to look at how the seatbelt fits her. If it is flat across her thighs, the shoulder part crosses her shoulder and collarbone, AND when she has her bum at the back of the seat, her knees can bend over the edge, then she's safe without any booster seat. However if any of these are true: The seatbelt rubs her neck, the lap belt lies across her tummy, she can't bend her knees over the edge when her bum is to the back of the seat (meaning she tends to shift her bum forwards to bend her knees) - then she is at increased risk of potentially serious injury without some kind of booster seat, and you should pick one which eliminates the fitting problems she has. A high back one will afford her some side impact protection, too. Some child/car combos will need a booster until 150cm to fit properly.

Your 4yo:
Legally - They need to be in an age appropriate car seat. They are in the weight class Group 2, which is either a high backed booster seat (not backless until 25kg AND 125cm minimum) or a rear-or-forward-facing seat which harnesses to 25kg.

What to know - People online will tell you that rear facing is safer - it is - but not sure I personally would justify buying a 25kg limit rear facing seat for a 4yo. But if you want to these seats do exist and you can find them. There also recently seems to be a lot of angst about keeping 4yos in a 5 point harness. Personally again I'm not sure I find these arguments compelling. In this case, there's no evidence that a 5 point harness forward facing is any safer than a seat which uses the adult seatbelt to restrain the child, and the behaviour argument about them needing to sit perfectly is subjective and could go both ways. Note that if you purchase a seat which is multi-stage and encompasses Group 1 (harnessed, up to 18kg) it is common that the harness only supports Group 1 and will be useless to you. If you're going to buy a high backed booster I would recommend you avoid these combination seats. However combination Group 2-3 is usual and fine.

Hope that helps.

BertieBotts · 18/01/2019 11:26

For a trip, you could do a bubble bum for the 4yo and nothing for the other 2. But if your parents can pick up seats, I'd get them to pick up a Britax Adventure/Joie Trillo/Graco Junior Maxi/Harmony booster, all in the range £20-40 and any £10 backless booster, for the 4yo and 8yo respectively. If you have a backless booster you could also bring that as nothing to damage on a plane, they are just hard plastic, no shock absorbers.

Sorry - I totally misread at first and thought you were moving back Blush

Madonnaslonglostbeautyspot · 18/01/2019 11:47

Oh wow! Thanks so much for all of this. Really appreciate you taking the time.

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cadburyegg · 18/01/2019 11:52

Your younger 2 children will need a HBB. The thought of a 4 year old in a booster seat without a back makes me cringe. Just because it is legal doesn’t mean it is safe.

snowybird1 · 18/01/2019 16:23

right you are.

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