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Is slimming world really shit?

73 replies

Emsonline · 17/01/2019 15:59

I read so many posts about it being cult like, a con, money making business etc. My biggest issue with it is referring to food as a sin (syn). Way to introduce food guilt! (I have been 3 times before and failed each time and have been left with food issues)

Your opinion on it?

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PurpleDaisies · 17/01/2019 17:35

All diets missing?

WhyDontYouComeOnOver · 17/01/2019 17:38

SW is a marketing scheme.

When I went, the week they called my period "star week" because "us ladies" were far too delicate and ladylike to call a period a period, was the last week I ever went.

Missingstreetlife · 17/01/2019 17:38

Drink plenty water

lumpsofitroundtheback · 17/01/2019 17:39

In the past I've decided to try and lose weight and felt that I needed help, so I joined WW. Did pretty well on that (found it easy to use the points system) and went for several months, although I wasn't keen on the woman who ran the meetings.

A couple of years later I'd put back on a lot of what I'd lost, so decided to diet again. Rather than go to WW, I went to SW instead. Didn't get on with their methods at all, and after two months had lost practically nothing so I stopped going. I don't like the way they referred to 'syns' either. It irritated me somewhat.

TovaGoldCoin · 17/01/2019 17:44

Someone I work with eats a huge tupperware box absolutely full of salad, veg,at least 3 hard boiled eggs, tinned fish, and some fat free dressing every day. Then a huge box of fruit, I mean today it was like a punnet of grapes, strawberries, lychee and melon. With a yoghurt poured over. And some low syn crisps. She then said she's only losing half a pound a week, and doesn't think she's eating enough. She also talks about her treat platters which involve maximising her syns to sit and eat a plate of crisps and chocolate at night, and roasted chickpeas.... I'm recovering from BED, and I find it hard to listen to such bullshit

mum11970 · 17/01/2019 18:01

It worked for me (lost 4.5 stones) and works for my dh (lost around 4 stone and still losing) but we follow it by making meals from scratch with fresh meat, veg and fruit using SW recipes, not eating unlimited amounts and still keeping an eye on the calories consumed.
If you listen to the consultant it’s ‘unlimited free food until sated’ not until you are stuffed; this is where most people go wrong and don’t bring their portion sizes down as they lose weight and then they hit a plateau.
It’s common sense that whatever you are eating whether it’s chocolate or bananas the calories in have to be less than you burn off in order to lose weight.
I also found having to go and actually be weighed by someone was enough to stop me overindulging but I can be very focused and couldn’t mess about losing and putting on the same few pounds time and time again.

TulipsInbloom1 · 17/01/2019 18:01

I hated the fact that it boiled down to lbs lost. Never mind if Brenda was 24st and Cath was 10. Whoever lost the most lbs that week was praised. Whoever didn't lose, even if they are only 1lb off their ideal weight, had to explain it. Never mind if they are just having a heavier day. If they'd weighed they day before they may have been 1lb less.

Emsonline · 17/01/2019 18:05

Synergy is 100% a made up word Grin

I do agree it obviously doesn't work for me. Some very interesting posts here, thank you.

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SleepingStandingUp · 17/01/2019 18:13

I don't understand what you want OP. You tried it, it didn't work for you, don't go back. What does it matter if it works for anyone else?

Chocolatecoffeeaddict · 17/01/2019 18:13

Knittink, becaude the plan works for me. It's common sense. You would have to be pretty thick to eat huge plates of pasta all day and expect to lose weight. That's not the diet at all.

SleepingStandingUp · 17/01/2019 18:14

Synergy

The interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects.

‘the synergy between artist and record company’

Mid 19th century: from Greek sunergos ‘working together’, from sun- ‘together’ + ergon ‘work’.

SleepingStandingUp · 17/01/2019 18:20

Like anything it requires a degree oh common sense, honesty and perspective.

Can I eat for 20 hours a day and lose weight? Probably not. Do you stop when you're full? No? Well thsts your problem

A decent consultant will advise someone who is honest about eating a punnet of grapes a day that thry are du of sugar and tbst of they want to loose quicker thry should swap for a different fruit or cut down. Or perhaps they're happy losing only 1/2 a week.

The problem is "eat as much as you like" etc are blanket statements that I've never actually heard in a session without some context of stopping when full, drinking enough fluid, understanding that grapes etc are fine but out of moderation thry can block weight loss.

My guess would be Tova's work colleague is no good as listening to her hunger cues and is eating far more than her body tells her to

TovaGoldCoin · 17/01/2019 18:27

You are right... She attacks the food like its her last meal. I am not judging, as I'm over eight, and am in recovery from. Bulimia. I tried SW but found the complete lack of science and nutritional knowledge from my consultant painful. She regularly told us it wasn't about calories, you could eat whatever you liked... Everyone filled up on mug noodles, and SW chips, and then wondered why they didn't lose weight

SleepingStandingUp · 17/01/2019 18:32

But if they're filling up on noodles and chips they're missing the point about speed foodsso even on that one little point it's about being "taught" badly and not 📖 ng your own books

WitchDancer · 17/01/2019 18:36

There is a rule with SW that a lot are ignoring - everything in moderation!

Bobfossil2 · 17/01/2019 18:43

I lost 2 stone on it and was the thinnest I’ve ever been. If I could ‘eat less and move more’ I would- I clearly had some issues with food so I need rules. I maintained that but I’m back there now with 5 stone to lose (2 stone down already)- because I got super fat in pregnancy Sad
I am aware that it’s a marketing strategy really- if it worked for everyone they wouldn’t make money. I also don’t make silly recipes with sweetener etc. It basically makes me eat more veg rather than carbs and limits how much chocolate or alcohol I have.

CatWhisker · 17/01/2019 18:50

If people are determined to view syns as literally sinful and believe it's sinful to eat cake, that's concerning and i would definitely advise them to avoid the diet.

Knittink · 17/01/2019 20:20

everything in moderation
If people were able to obey 'everything in moderation', there would be no overweight people and no need for diets. That's why people on diets tend to want specific rules.

iamyourequal · 17/01/2019 20:56

I think some posters are taking the bit about ‘syns’ too seriously. The SW diet has always been based on eating low-calorie density food so that you are eating enough to feel full up whilst having a big enough calorie deficit to actually lose weight. Clearly doing this all the time would get bland and tedious and people would miss chocolate/wine/crisps or whatever, so they introduced ‘sins’ as a little something ‘naughty’ each day to stop them giving up on the diet.

I think SW seems to work well for those with a lot to lose, but not for those with only a stone or so. I’ve tried it myself a couple of times and, even when sticking within the rules, it’s quite easy to consume too many calories for weight loss on it. It definitely encourages you to eat more healthily when done properly though. I felt very well on it, I just didn’t lose enough weight! I found the meetings far too long as well, and my consultant was overweight, which I found very off putting.

Madein1995 · 18/01/2019 00:08

It's difficult. Unrelated topic perhaps, but has anyone seen the SW chips that are out? That doesn't sit right with me. I get that they're healthier than normal ones, I get that not everyone has time to cook - but isn't it about changing habits? If you've had a shit day and want quick food, do an omelette, pesto pasta and salad, egg or beans on toast, a Tin of soup etc. Don't get a burger and chips from the freezer and kid yourself it's healthy.

I've tried both WW and SW and the difference is massive, for me. I'm not saying WW is perfect, but it seems a much healthier environment. With SW there was so much emphasis on pounds lost. One lady was off ill and lost 3 stone in two months, she was that ill and not big to begin with. When she came back it was all sparkly stickers and sashes and clapping for her loss. How unhealthy is that? She reason she lost that much is because she was ill. We should have been welcoming her back, focusing on her regaining her strength, not effectively applauding her illness

The thinking behind it is odd. There is no promotion of exercise, in fact it's optional and no mention of its health benefits, just that it can help you gain weight. The whole mindset of over eating. For example, a tub of halo top ice cream is low in syns. So we're told we could eat the whole tub! Well yes we 'coukd' but we shouldn't as it's binging. The treat plates. Rather than being encouraged to use your syns incidentally - extra cheese, a square of chocolate, a bit of chorizo - you're encouraged to save your syns and have a treat plate, of a mini mars, a pick up, a milky way, strawberry laces and buttons. It encourages over eating and doesn't address binging or portion control. Let's be honest, no one who is overweight eats perfect portion sizes. If you're used to eating 200g pasta bit a portion is 75g, then no you shouldn't eat 150g and add half a lettuce on top. A big bowl of pasta is no healthier once you add a head of lettuce to if. You should reduce down to a proper portion, and yes you may feel a bit hungry - or not stuffed - but that is not a bad thing!

The frankenfoods - lasagne with no cheese on top, sweet and sour chicken made without flour so the consistency of water, etc. Cheesecake made of tubs of Muller light, the whole focus on quantity not quality.

It's also more inflexible. Yes it's good to meal plan and prep. But there are days when you're asked to work late unexpectedly and have no food. Even the healthiest sandwich is way over your allowance in a shop. So your options are exist on ham and egg pots be and feel hungry and annoyed, or get the sandwich and feel like you've blown it so you get crisps and cake too! Eating out, you're encouraged to eat steak and salad or severely restrict yourself before and afterwards. They say of course that no food is banned, but when you have 15syns a day, are told you shouldn't roll them over, and a pizza is 25synsv at least, that isn't really an option.

WW isn't perfect. There's still the talk of good and bad days, still the promotion of their products, including ready meals which while nice is not as good as home cooking. There are still recipes like cakes from beans. But the difference is astronomical. The Biggie for me is the flexibility. It focuses on a week not a day. So you can have your pizza and wine, as long as during the week you exercise a bit more and eat sensibly the rest of the time. Your dailies don't change either, so you can have that pizza and wine and still have a bag of quavers the next day.

Eating out or on the go Is easier. It's perfectly possible to go to Tesco and pick up a wrap, a bag of reduced fat crisps and a drink and still be well within your points. So you feel able to do it and not binge

Your points reduce as you lose weight, which is a homage to the fact that as weight decreases, so should your calorie intake. Exercise is mentioned a lot, not just in terms of weight loss but also fitness and health.

Classes are more productive. You don't just applaud losses, although you do mention any success including non scale victories such as walking more that week or trying new recipes or your jeans feeling looser. Normally each week focuses on a topic , sometimes food based like how to optimise 0 pointed foods or helping someone plan a work trip away, but also mentally. This week our topic was our why we joined - not just losing weight, but going deeper - health concerns, keeping up with the kids etc

But a massive one for me is portion control and eating sensibly. We're not encouraged to blow out after weigh in. I'm not saying a chippy tea is banned or an extra biscuit - but we are told we shouldn't save all our points for weigh in night and then dive head first into a kebab and a massive dairy milk. We're encouraged to use our points every day - avoid feeling deprived and hopefully use it incidentally, on things like a glass of wine or extra cheese. Saving for a night out or using it for a McDonald's for eg Is fine, as life doesn't stop, however having a big blow out every week on weigh in isn't hwalthy. We're reminded binging isn't good, that it's meant to be a lifestyle change, and a whole evening off each week will probably affect things.

Treat plates aren't mentioned. We're told that just because a tub of ice cream is low points, we shouldn't eat all of it. You should still ear sensible portions. That binging is something lots of us do, however it is not a healthy habit, physically or mentally, and we should be looking for ways to change it.

I'm not saying either way is perfect. WW for eg have plenty of talk of good and bad days, they do applaud quick losses,bthey are much more commercialised in terms of products. But to me at least it seems more realistic. It's balanced out over a week not s day, so you can be kind to yourself, you can have hungry days, you can have days where you're busy and just want a takeaway, and as long as it all balanced over the week that's fine. It's easier to get a balanced diet. Rather than it controlling your life, you control it. Yes you meal plan etc but there's no need to panic about forgetting to prep lunch or similar - I find myself thinking on the day what I fancy for tea rather than planning obsessively to get all the allowances right, as on SW. Overall, you're encouraged not to binge, to exercise, to look at the big picture, to make it a part of your life not run it, and to look after your MH. That can't be a bad thing

CatWhisker · 18/01/2019 00:27

I agree with everything iamyourequal wrote Yesterday at 20:56. My consultant was always skinny though. She'd put on a few pounds after having a baby and joined SW and was a consultant 6 months later. I found that because she'd never really had a weight problem or struggled with her weight at all, she didn't really understand people who did. I've preferred other consultants who've conquered a weight problem and get it.
The thing with mugshots and muller lites etc. You don't have to have them on the diet. They are optional. You can cook everything from scratch

SleepingStandingUp · 18/01/2019 00:40

What are treat plates??? I do SW and never heard of them.

We're told to use syns for what we want but ultimately as we get closer they probably need to be more part of meals and less all on chocolate.

And if ssomeoen is going out the weekend etc. she encourages saving syns up over the week to use for that night, not Inn a binge way but in a balancing it out across a week way.

I've xetainly never heard any consultant advocate binge days after weigh in, nor any talk of it. We did discuss having extra week's before weighing in and saving dinner til after weight in but she stresses that it'll show up the following week anyway.

I'm beginning to think she's doing it wrong lol!!

The "I've blown it so I might as well eat a whole cake" is mindset. Surely it would apply to any diet if you do something occasionally "naughty"? And if you can have pizza one night on WW there will still be a point when after that second bottle of wine you've blown it so you might as well have a kebab on the way home and a fry up tomorrow. But that's on the individual.

I do agree about the exercise and usefulness of classes though. Sometimes I do think they could use that time much more effectively but I guess positive reinforcement works, people like to have their effort rewarded. I think a consultant who was big in their exerise would be more likely to push it as a pro, which sadly ours doesn't.

For me portion control is a hard one. I'm not good at being hungry so knowing I can eat as many apples as I want if I'm hungry, or a set amount of cheese or a biscuit now but not later helps. Knowing I can have a plate full of home cooked food rather than a small plateful and still be hungry later stops me snacking crap, and there's always crap in the. House because I have a 3 yo lol.

At the moment with lots to lose I can lose by cutting the rubbish, at some point that will slow down and I'll have to look more closely at my portion of chicken pizza and home made chips and whether I want to be slimmer or not.

Out of interest how directive is WW with target weights or do thry not focus on that?

I think all diets have good and bad points, what works for one won't work for another etc. But thry all require an input of common sense and understanding. Living on 6 SW ready meals every day, plus 80 G of cheese, a handful of nuts and a kit kat might be permissable but it clearly isn't sensible

x2boys · 18/01/2019 07:42

I have never heard of treat plates either , i.don't have a sweet.tooth so that isn't a problem , crisps have been hard to I've up but I even I realised that eating six packets of them in a day isn't great , I don't like tea or coffee so I stick to suger free flavoured water it's working for me .

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