To think as a country we deserve the government we have?

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I know lots of us didn't vote for the tories or Brexit and vave suffeted as a result.
Aibu to feel that the above are a reflection of bigotry and racism in our society. Leavers who said you were lied to; do you never question the promises that politicians make? It just shows a lack of critical thinking and healthy scepticism.
We were all taught history and how global recesdions contribute to far right upsurge but noone questions this and changes their attitude.
Furthermore...unlike the French,we just moan a lot but grudgingly accept our lot instead of getting political and acting on it.
I feel that this island has entrenched ideas about class and colonisation that many cannot get past.

Sorry...i meant isn't first past the post supposed to discourage extremism? Hasn't worked brilliantly.

Well, I didn't vote Leave or Conservative so I like to think I don't deserve it.
But yeah, if you voted Leave and Conservative - this is your doorstep, your mess. Hope you're enjoying it.

I don't feel that any of the main party leaders actually want their jobs!
The government was elected by the people... it's always the people's fault grrrr

No one wants to pay more taxes

That's not true. Voters - of all parties - have repeatedly said they would be willing to pay extra tax direct to the NHS. But the electoral maths means they're ignored.

YANBU.

'News' to a large part of the population means tabloid headlines and Facebook updates.
Cliched soundbites are treated as facts.

And anyone who dares to suggest reading more widely in order to become more informed is labelled as a 'Liberal Elite' and accused of living in a 'bubble'.

I do feel a lot of people will come to regret their apathy and bigotry. It's really sad to see so many people reduced to pawns to the political ambitions of meglo-maniacs.

But what do I know living in my London bubble.

We were all taught history and how global recesdions contribute to far right upsurge

Unfortunately I don't think we were. We did the rise of Hitler for GCSE which covered the terrible state Germany was in after Versailles, but half my year had dropped History by then.

I think the vast majority of people in this country think bad things happened in The Olden Days. Things are different now so however they vote it won't really be that bad. So they might as well vote to pay a few quid a year less tax because it's not like Victorian times when poor people had to go to the workhouse.

I also think some people choose ignorance because it suits them.

I agree with a PP that history should be compulsory throughout school. As well as historical perspective it also teaches you how to critically analyse a source i.e. how not to believe everything the Daily Mail prints.

isn't first past the post supposed to discourage extremism?

In my lifetime it's been more that it supposedly produces "strong government". But successive "strong governments" have show that's not an antidote to extremism. In fact all it's done is allow the extremists to hijack the mainstream parties, using the bulwark of "I always vote " voters to shoe them in.

My constituency has been Tory since 1885. One of the safest seats there is. Even if Labour agreed not to field a candidate to let the Lib Dem have a chance (as they tend to finish second), they'd still need one of the biggest swings of all time to unseat. So it's pointless voting.

The third of people who didn't vote deserve what they got but I did some research and voted and don't deserve being in this situation where I have to think about stockpiling and how to protect my home if there's civil unrest.

"The actual election result was largely to do with Jeremy Corbyn's huge uncosted bribe to student-age voters, of not having to pay for their education.
Thanks, Kids."

You've conveniently forgotten about that huge, un-costed 30 hours free childcare bribe that David Cameron made when he promised "stability and strong Government" in 2015.

Are we to say "Thanks, Parents"?

They've all lost the plot to be honest the government needs scrapping and real world people need to be up there.

YANBU we have exactly the government and the type of government we deserve. And when we, as a nation, grow up and accept our own role in this, then we could startvto try and improve it. Will need to stop whining and blaming Jonny Foriegner first though.

I do see where you're coming from.
Yes lots of us didn't vote the Tories.
Myself included. However more do than don't. That's why they keep getting in. I see far far far more critic for Jeremy Coryn than I do for Teresa May. If the British Public are going to persist on jumping on the Tories dicks. I suppose there does come a time where people will say. "Youve made your bed, so lie in it. Like I said There have been ample chances to get them out.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the canidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy--to be followed by a dictatorship.”

www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/5451872.Alexander_Fraser_Tytler

If we follow the usual logic OP, then the recession was started on Labours watch, yes they werent responsible for it, but they didn't have us in a situation where we could weather it a little better, it was a complete 180 for Brown etc to become a fan of keynesian economics.

The "auterity is audiological" doesn't tie up with the western world also implementing austerity and funny that you mention the Yellow vests as they are rioting against austerity.

The rise of far right is EU wide, and whilst it's tied into Austerity it also is a swing back from IDPOL where everyone under the sun has been called rasict/nazi and now far right.

Yes, we do have the Government we deserve

No we don't. Just as I didn't deserve the 2008 recession either. I live within my means, bought a smaller house than I could afford, kept debt to my mortgage and nothing else, have never voted Tory and didn't vote to leave the EU. I bear no responsibility for the current fustercluck whatsoever, I just mind my own business except on MN.

If there was a general election this year or even a second referendum, majority would vote tories and brexit. That means majority of voters support what is happening in the UK now.

Well over half of the UK allowed for this situation.

If they voted leave, without considering how it would occur or the difficulties that would be involved certainly does show a lack critical thinking. The excuse “we weren’t told” isn’t an excuse, ever single person with a smart phone had the means (known as the internet) to read up on it. I’m not in the UK and I managed to gather together the facts (I know, “good for me”, “are you marvellous” etc etc).

Those who didn’t vote simply allowed this situation to happen. They could have prevented it.

(NB ‘they’ doesn’t mean every individual, of course there are individuals who knew what they were doing and had informed themselves. So whilst you might think you don’t deserve this, it is what the majority, ergo the country, wanted.)

It does seem that UK population were very unaware of the effect the vote has. I think this is mostly because there are so very few referendums (the effect of referendums being more notable than, say, a general election where you still get a government at the end of it, the only difference being it might be a different party or parties).

Well over half of the UK allowed for this situation.

How did you work that out ?

"How did you work that out ?"
See above - those that voted leave and those that didn't bother voting.

I didn't vote Tory or Leave - so I don't deserve this shit situation. Theresa May was not voted to power by the public - so nobody deserves her.
Scotland didn't vote Tory or Leave so they certainly don't deserve this mess.
Northern Ireland didn't vote leave, but they will be stuck with it too.

The price of our democracy?