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AIBU to think the abuse and anger should have stopped by now?

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highheelsandheadheldhigh · 17/01/2019 05:38

DH’s ex is very angry and bitter, she has been this way for 11 years and I am finding it draining and exhausting. I have had to block her from contacting me after the abuse got really personal about me and DH, however he obviously has to have contact and he gets pages and pages of abuse directed at us both sometimes daily. I can see how much it has eroded DH and we are currently going through the courts to get access to DSS (12). She has been impossible at every step, forcing DH to take the legal path as an amicable decision could no longer be reached. They mutually spilt while she was expecting after a very short relationship, DSS has never known his parents together. She has had 2 relationships since, but is currently single. She is constantly passing judgement on how DH and I choose to live our lives, has driven a huge wedge between DSS and his Dad recently by lying to him about their past. DH and I can do no right in her eyes, we offer a loving supportive home to DSS however she is constantly claiming that I bully and abuse DSS, that DH doesn’t parent DSS – we have addressed these claims with DSS directly who says that is not the case. He appears happy and relaxed in our company, gets plenty of one on one time with his dad and seems perfectly happy to spend time with me if his Dad is at work or playing footie and its too late for him to go. However she has been increasingly more difficult regarding access, for example will arrange with DH to pick him up from school and then take him out early leaving DH frantic with worry. This has been getting progressively worse over 6 months, DH will call and text DSS on his phone (paid for DH) sometimes he answers, sometimes doesn’t, sometimes ex will say ‘if you want to talk to him you go through me’ which ultimately will limit their contact. DH has always paid over and above, previous access patterns have been every THU, FRI, SAT and EOW, which have changed at her wim (not work related). DH and I want to have shared custody, however she believes it would be too upsetting to his routine. I am at a complete loss as to why she is still so furious with DH and in turn myself after all this time. (before anyone asks I was not involved in the break up) She has previously admitted to DH and myself that she has tried everything to break us up and is amazed that we have been able to stay together. How can someone stay angry for so long? DH and I have been TTC for years and are currently in the throws of IVF, I don’t know how to dial down the stress from her to give us a better chance of success. Any insight or advice would be greatly appreciated. Sorry it’s a long post, feels cathartic to write it down.

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BusySnipingOnCallOfDuty · 17/01/2019 05:55

I'm so sorry. That's an awful lot to have to deal with. I've been through similar with my toxic abusive ex. If she keeps fucking about, it will become apparent to the courts. Keep records of all communication, dates of things, anything. And grey rock, explain the grey rock theory to your DH.

MissLanesAmericanCousin · 17/01/2019 06:01

So you and DH have been together for 12 years (how long married and how long was the engagement? And, DH's son, is now 11 years- and DH left DSS when his mother was still pregnant. Not condoning any of her actions, but it's quite easy to see why she'd be a little angry, even after all this time Hmm

MissLanesAmericanCousin · 17/01/2019 06:02

11 years together, DSS is 12

Ragaroo · 17/01/2019 06:18

She isn't just a "little" angry though is she? She's pyscho and can't even keep things mature for the sake of her son...

highheelsandheadheldhigh · 17/01/2019 06:22

They mutually agreed to split, relationship was in its infancy, pregnancy wasn't planned and came 3/4 months into relationship (she confirmed this, as have other parties) They split before her first scan.
Married 5, engaged 3 - however not sure how that is relevant.

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user1493413286 · 17/01/2019 06:38

I’d agree that you wouldn’t stlll expect this so far on; when you’re going through the courts can you get contact set in stone so there doesn’t need to be any communication about that then limit any other communication to over email and have it directed that it’s only about practical arrangements for their DS.
It’s not a usual thing for the courts to say but if you can provide the evidence of how she’s been it will help.

MoreCheeseDear · 17/01/2019 06:41

A little angry

Oh dear. Step mothers rarely get much sympathy from certain MN types, OP.

I'm s sorry this poor boy is going through this. Has your DH thought about going for full custody. The ex seems to be seriously unbalanced. (not a little angry)

KirstyAllsoppsFatterTwin · 17/01/2019 06:44

It sounds as though the split maybe wasn't quite as mutual as your DH believes it was.

I'd suggest your DH (on his own) has a really frank chat with his son. He is approaching an age now where it will be much harder for his mother to manipulate him, speak for him or lie to your DH. If he is open to the idea of a 50:50 split then go for it. Push for it very hard.

If your SS genuinely wishes to be with his Dad for 50% of the time and can articulate that clearly when asked then a court is unlikely to overrule him in favour of the mother's wishes. As it is you have him not far off 50:50 anyway.

Then you can stop paying her anything at all and no longer need to listen to her or jump when she says jump.

But do bear in mind that as he approaches adolescence, you may well get a few challenging years with him at a time when you are going through IVF and hopefully then will have a baby of your own coming into the home, with all the stresses and conflicting emotions that involves. Please don't then complain about him or try to reverse the arrangement when it gets tough.

KC225 · 17/01/2019 07:14

Sometimes I think people can get consumed with hate/anger and it seems to become their fuel. Given the background, mutual split after brief relationship, it doesn't make sense for her to be so angry and negative after this length of time. Does she feel that being a single parent has held her back. Is it a case of shoulda/woulda/coulda. To want to ruin your relationship is bizzare, unless its an case of her thinking why should you have what I haven't got.

It must be draining and I worry about the effect on your DSS. I have no advice to offer OP because I bet you have tried everything. I will say that your DSS is now 11 and will soon be a teenager who can make his own decisions and see through his mums bitterness.

You and your DH have got this far which is a testament to your relationship. Younwill have to grey rock this woman OP. She is not going to change, but you need to block her out especially during your IVF treatment.

Good luck OP.

HeckinHell · 17/01/2019 07:26

I’m on the other side of this, and genuinely don’t understand how people can keep this behaviour up for so long (especially when children are involved).

My ex husband left me for another woman when my son was 8 months old - the affair started before that and I was aware/saw evidence. The divorce was fucking horrible and he did everything in his power to try to ‘get one over on’ me - made my life utter hell, tried to make me homeless, went after full custody...I ended up sick from the stress. I, naturally, detested the other woman for a while.

However, that was 12 years ago. He’s still with the woman, they’re happy, my kids are happy, and we’ve rebuilt an amicable relationship because that’s what’s best for them. His (now wife) and I can have very pleasant chats if we bump into each other and have found that we actually get on really well and have a lot in common. I don’t see any point in holding a grudge - relationships sometimes end, sometimes it’s messy, sometimes things aren’t handled well when emotions are high. I’m not going to forget how my ex treated me, but there’s no point dwelling on things that are so far in the past.

It honestly baffles me that somebody could maintain that kind of level of anger (unless there’s more to it/things that have happened more recently to feed it). It doesn’t serve any purpose, it’s a waste of energy, and it’s damaging for any children involved.

I’d suggest your husband asking his son what he wants with regard to custody, then fighting for that to happen. Keep any evidence of her being obstructive with regards to contact; if you have to go to court they will always look at what’s in the best interests of the child - what she’s doing right now very clearly isn’t!

highheelsandheadheldhigh · 17/01/2019 08:08

I'll be honest at first when the abuse started (that whore isn't getting near my son) when I met DH. I assumed (as you would) that there must be a reason for such anger, you would assume the heir would a valid reason. So I dug, dug and dug. DH's version of events checked out.
I've never heard of the grey rock approach and I guess I'm doing that now. I avoid her at all costs. But her not being able to contact me, drove her towards more extreme behaviour. She went through a period of insisting DH could only see DSS at her house and he must stay the night. He wasn't allowed to our home as 'I was there' (DH flatly refused) DH has been working really hard to maintain some form of relationship with DSS, asking what he wants and you can tell he's torn as by spending time with us upsets her and he doesn't want to do that. It's all heart breaking. DH didn't see him at Christmas, only a brief Skype once he'd opened all his gifts. Then she flew him out of the country (on Christmas Day) We are both terrified she do a 'flit in the night' as she's moved house, schools, house overnight twice without telling DH. We only found out when DSS, 'dropped his mum in it' and our access pattern changed suddenly (no school pick ups)

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KC225 · 17/01/2019 12:15

Is your DH on the birth certificate? Have you gone through the courts for a proper access schedule? Insisting your DH stays the night, moving house and schools without letting you know is quite extreme. What a terrible situation for your DSS.

Maelstrop · 17/01/2019 12:20

Court, all the way. Given the previous pattern of contact, there’s no reason you can’t ask for a 50/50 split. Also look up parental alienation, the court will really disapprove of her doing that.

highheelsandheadheldhigh · 17/01/2019 12:53

DH is on the birth cert and shares his name not ours(perhaps where the anger comes from) we have tried mediation - unsuccessful. Now in the process with the courts. DH lost his mum young, knows the impact it has and was keen to try and keep things amicable. Hence the long delay, he wanted in his heart to know he had tried everything before going legal. So has been more lenient that most. Where as every Bonus I've had I have been screaming - lawyer !!! My parents have been his only real 'grandparents' my sister his only auntie. It's all truly heartbreaking. She was drunk and attention seeking, told DH she was in the car with DSS. She needed his help and his alone .... unfortunately DH was on the runway about to leave for work. Thankfully me and my bestie's husband managed to track her down.(without her knowing I was involved) thankfully All a big act, she was pissed in the house, obviously not good but at least not driving. We reported this and told it was her word against his and would be assigned a case worker .....

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highheelsandheadheldhigh · 17/01/2019 12:53

Not hers **

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highheelsandheadheldhigh · 17/01/2019 21:46

Oh my god, I've just read about parental alienation....... that's exactly what she is doing!!!

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