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AIBU re Friend

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jacks11 · 06/01/2019 22:33

I've had a falling out with a friend, and whilst I'm not particularly bothered as I think the friendship has probably reached the end of the road it could make things awkward for the friendship group and I'm wondering if I should let things lie or do something about it.

I have been friends with the same friendship group for a long time now- there are 5 of us. We don't all live in the same area anymore, but do meet up as a group every few months. Those of us who live closer meet up a bit more often and we call/chat via text/whatsapp etc.

One friend has, in the last 2 years, become vegan after her partner became vegan a few months before that. I don't have any issue with that- what they eat/don't eat is not really anyone else business. BUT the endless boring on about it (in person when we meet up, in response to various topics of conversation if you call her/text her and on). She is actually getting quite sanctimonious and a little too evangelical for my liking- as I said I don't think my dietary/lifestyle choices are any of her business, just as hers aren't my concern.

What really grates on me though is that she is often factually incorrect about things which she quotes as gospel, fails to see there can be ecological and welfare downsides to veganism. Oh, and she does use leather and various other products when it suits. She drives a diesel car, even though she doesn't live rurally but in a place with pretty good transport links. I do understand that, with 2 young children, a car is pretty useful and again, not really my concern but she does busy herself in everyone else's choices.

TBH, she's always been a little alternative and held some rather unusual beliefs but was generally "a good egg" as my grandfather would have put it. but since she met her partner it has been getting steadily more "out there". She often spouts about karma and "ying and yang" etc and can be somewhat insensitive when unpleasant or upsetting things happen to people. She won't vaccinate the children as her partner and her family are all very against it and go on about it being some sort of conspiracy. I don't agree with not vaccinating your children and her reasons aren't even based on any sort of reasonable basis but I recognise that it is up to them what they do. If asked I would say why I thought she was being foolish and when they talk about "the conspiracy" I do disagree with them. Friend does continue to go on and on about anyone who does choose to have their child vaccinated "being duped by the big lie" but gets very upset if anyone questions their choices. This has caused some friction recently, despite my suggestion that we can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

I've hidden her facebook posts as they are so irritating- all about veganism being "the only ethical way to live" and some frankly inaccurate things in this sort of vein. They tried to make their dog vegan, but it became ill and the vet told them they were harming the dog. Prior to this, her partner tried to convince me the dog was "pleased" about becoming vegan. She was actually a little put out when I was more than a little incredulous and pointed out that I don't think her dog had any understanding of the concepts of animal cruelty, veganism or global warming etc. Again, I don't particularly care if they believe in things that are barmy- but I do wish they would stop shoving it down my (and everyone else) throat and respect that other people are entitled to an opinion which may differ from their own.

Anyway, since she became vegan it has become somewhat more difficult to find places she will eat (despite lots of places having vegan options) because of her "ethical concerns". We usually compromise when we all get together though. Recently, a restaurant opened up in a town near to me and another friend in the group but also not far from vegan friend. During a conversation I had mentioned I wanted to try this place, friend agreed we should. Vegan friend commented it would be "awful" due to the smell of meat (think steak restaurant or similar). So we arranged to go and did not invite vegan friend- mainly because she had already said she wouldn't go. I have to admit, inviting her has become a bit of a chore TBH but in this instance it was because she had said she wouldn't want to go when it was mentioned. Didn't think anymore of it TBH and had a nice meal with my friend.

Until today. We had met up again. My uncle has recently been diagnosed with bowel cancer, and I had been discussing with my friends. Vegan friend piped up about how it 'really was avoidable, people should not eat red meat and they'd be fine. You should become vegan too as you'll be high risk". I said, "well it's a bit late for him now whatever the cause, but a bit insensitive don't you think?". She then snapped back "well, you're insensitive too- you and A went out for a meal without inviting me and then posted about it on FB". I pointed out that it's not like we all went except her and that we do sometimes go out without all 5 in the group (and she had friend A have been out without me and that's fine). Not only that but she had said that she didn't want to set foot in the restaurant for ethical reasons so we hadn't invited her. She went on for a while, I and friend A said sorry if we'd upset her but we didn't honestly think anything of it. However, I still thought she had been overly sensitive and unnecessarily rude re my uncle and we left on awkward terms.

Her partner then called me to say how upset vegan friend was with me. I said that I had apologised as we had inadvertently upset her but I thought she had been a little oversensitive about the whole thing. She said we (as in group) have not been supportive of the changes they've made to their life. I said that although I don't agree with all their views, I do think they have a right to live their lives as they see fit and so am supportive in that way. I'm not going to pretend I wholeheartedly agree with everything they say though and especially not if I'm specifically asked. I did say that sometimes it felt a bit like they try to steamroller over other peoples views and that I did find her comment re my uncle unkind and insensitive. Her partner said "she was just stating a fact"- I replied that actually it isn't a fact that my uncle eating red meat was the sole cause of his bowel cancer (it may have contributed, but we'll probably never know) and that as I wasn't consulting a Dr about reducing my risk of developing bowel cancer what she said was actually nothing more than sanctimonious waffle at best (I admit I was cross by this point) and that I'd prefer it if they kept their views to themselves a bit more as it does get some tiresome listening to them going on about it. We left it somewhat tense.

I did call another friend to vent, and she said that she had been feeling similar about friend and her partner for a while. It's fine that they have made these changes, but it would be nice if it didn't have to dominate where we go/what we do when we get together and also if we didn't have to endlessly hear about it. Friend A called to tell me that vegan friends partner had also called her and they'd had quite a tense conversation (after she had called me). Then another friend called to say vegan friend had called her in tears and had hung up on her when she hadn't agreed with her.

TBH, I feel like just leaving it. I won't be inviting her to things or initiating contact/chats but certainly won't expect others to do the same. I will be friendly when we meet. But I feel she's more of an annoying acquaintance than a friend now. AIBU? I know that friend A feels the same and another friend is rapidly running out of patience. But then it feels like we are pushing her out and that doesn't sit well.

Sorry for the essay. If you got through that you deserve Brew and Cake

OP posts:
CoughLaughFart · 06/01/2019 23:30

It sounds like you don’t really like her that much anymore. Just pull back a little without creating any unnecessary drama.

DeRigueurMortis · 06/01/2019 23:34

She and her partner are being completely overbearing and frankly rude.

I wouldn't put up with it, life's too damn short.

I wouldn't cut her off but I wouldn't make any effort to connect with her either.

If she was at a group outing I'd still happily go but I'd not put up with her crap either.

Definitely sounds like she's being led by an overbearing boyfriend but it doesn't mean she gets to ruin every night out by talking bollocks (especially about vaccinations) and seeing it as an opportunity to preach.

I expect all the group are probably fed up of it, not just a couple of you.

This holier than thou and I know better attitude some people display (whatever cause it's about) is simply a way of showing off and saying "I'm better than you" and it's deeply unattractive.

mumsastudent · 06/01/2019 23:35

cancer & type 2 diabetes is NOT all about diet & bad habits - some of it is about not being able to pick your ancestors - it can be an inherited tendency (note NOT inherited) or it could be exposure to something in the environment - like radon in the soil may be - that is there naturally. its just bad luck. I am sorry to hear about your uncle op...

theworldistoosmall · 06/01/2019 23:36

If he pulls that crap again I would tell him - if the choices are eating steak or be a sanctimonious bore like you, then steak wins every time.

If the friendship doesn't naturally fizzle out then everytime vegan bore pipes up, do the same back but about vaccinations needed to visit certain countries and talk about those countries they are missing out on. But I can be a twat at times,

LookingforHope · 06/01/2019 23:39

I have a few vegan friends and I respect their diets and they respect mine. I am sure they would prefer me to be vegan too and in many ways I think they have a point (as in morally I agree with veganism but practically I can't commit to it), but they don't harp on about it or berate me for having milk in my tea and so on. I agree with acatcalledjohn - save your energy. You won't win any arguments with people who are so dogmatic.

BumbleBeee69 · 06/01/2019 23:39

She and her partner sound like insufferable Dicks, save yourself, stay away forever Grin

BumbleBeee69 · 06/01/2019 23:43

and ANYBODY that fucking insensitive about someones Cancer does not deserve a right to reply, permanently, I would NEVER forgive this OP.

Wishing your Uncle all the best on his journey, through this dreadful illness.

FenellasRedVelvetDress · 06/01/2019 23:45

The poor bloody 🐶.

I love that I know vegan/vegetarian/pescatarian friends/family.

I love the challenge of thinking up delicious things for them to eat.

But NONE of them try to force me to listen to sanctimonious waffle about why I should follow their chosen path.

Sometimes friendships do end and I think it’s time to let this one go - and now seems as good a time as any.
Don’t berate yourself - it’s not like you are dropping her like a hot potato. This has been a slow burn and now it’s time to just let it die a natural ( and environmentally friendly!) death!

DeRigueurMortis · 06/01/2019 23:58

How do you composte a friendship? Wink

cstaff · 06/01/2019 23:58

Sanctimonious cow. Life is too short for that bullshit. It sounds like your friends are tiring of her and her bf also. Let her and her bf live a long and sanctimonious life together.

AyoadesChinDimple · 07/01/2019 00:19

They sound like a couple of Grade A bellends. Leave them and their plant based bullshit well alone.

jacks11 · 07/01/2019 00:41

Thanks all. I agree her partner does seem to have been the catalyst for her more "out there" views but she has always been somewhat alternative. She was never an overwheening and sanctimonious bore though.

I think I shall just let the friendship drift. I won't try to cut her out, just won't make any active effort to keep it going. I think she massively overstepped the mark re my uncle- who is getting excellent treatment and the prognosis is hopeful, thank goodness.

I don't think she stopped for a minute to actually think about what she said (hardly drew breath before diving in), more like she just saw it as an opportunity to air her views (again). She has become very blinkered and this is the result.

I do think she feels a sense of superiority about being vegan (sort of) and likes to impress upon others that she lives such an "eco-friendly and ethical life" to boost this. I'm not really sure why though.

The dog thing did make me chuckle though. I had visions of the dog sitting at the dinner table having an erudite conversation about the merits of veganism or impact of global warming on the polar ice-caps and sea-levels etc. Perhaps he could convert the local dogs and cats?!!

OP posts:
acatcalledjohn · 07/01/2019 00:42

Sanctimonious cow.

To appease PETA and OP's friend we'll have to take the flower by the thorns and change the above to sanctimonious cunt.

flatulencebythebucket · 07/01/2019 00:42

I cannot believe people actually believe in global warming still.

acatcalledjohn · 07/01/2019 00:44

@flatulencebythebucket Keep living up to your username and you'll be solely responsible for global warming Grin

Beeziekn33ze · 07/01/2019 00:52

OP - if you step back a little your friend may just veg off!

SpeedyBojangles · 07/01/2019 08:23

I cannot believe people actually believe in global warming still.

That you Donald?

BeatNickBeamer · 07/01/2019 08:39

I can't believe anyone is stupid enough not to believe in global warming.

masterandmargarita · 07/01/2019 08:57

I know vegetarians who have died from bowel cancer

MamaLovesMango · 07/01/2019 09:26

Oh OP you have my sympathies. I have a friend like this. In her case there’s always something different/woke/edgy she has to be participating in and whatever it is at the time, you can be sure of her ramming it down your throat. The latest was veganism and I’ve had to sit through sermon after sermon about animal cruelty, the evils of the dairy industry, how my knitting yarn is unethical, comment in all the ways my meat eating environmentally unfriendly and not taking to kindly that she has 6 kids and drives a diesel car Anyway, I saw her for the first time the other day as part of a group (I can’t do 1-1 time with her anymore) and guess what, she’s decided she’s not vegan anymore, it was too hard with her ‘lifestyle’ apparently and is back to eating cheap Tesco chicken and drinking milk Hmm

She’s not been a good friend to you. What she said to you about your uncle is awful and I think you’d struggle to count her as a friend from this point forward. Getting her DP to phone you is just plain weird. Distance yourself and be truthful if anyone asks why, you’ve done nothing wrong and will feel a lot better without a constant judgemental presence in your life.

CoraPirbright · 07/01/2019 09:39

But then it feels like we are pushing her out and that doesn't sit well

I wouldnt feel guilty about that - sounds like she is doing this all on her own!! Boring on about her choices, refusing to entertain alternative points of view, the frankly vile comments about your uncle and the stupid histrionics about you meeting up with your friend (when its quite normal for the 5 of you to meet up in different combinations)........she is alienating herself from the group all on her own.

Don’t do anything and I think the natural conclusion will be that everyone will just back away from her. She may try to cling on and this will result in one of two scenarios - she either grows up and accepts that people have different points of view, or she throws a shit-fit and does a massive flounce.

altiara · 07/01/2019 09:41

Yanbu! I’d definitely be thinking of her as an acquaintance rather than friend.
But I think it’s going to be hard as it will look like you’re all pushing her out of the gang because of her principles Not because she’s boring and annoying.

ThatsNotNiceRoger · 07/01/2019 09:49

She and her partner abound like a fucking nightmare. And massively insenseitive. But unfortunately they’re too far up their lentil lined arseholes to realise.

One of my vegan friends was preaching on Facebook about palm oil not being that bad actually and we should be thinking of all the land we’re using for meat farming. Gah.

R0binh0 · 07/01/2019 09:50

BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil hit the nail on the head. They are twats.

You don't go publicly blaming people for their own serious illnesses even if a direct and singular link has been proven. Her comments were on a whole scale of twatish insensitivity that friends meeting w/o you and putting it on social media doesn't even register.

She needs to take a look at herself and wonder WHY her friends are pulling away, not get her sanctimonious guru/boyfriend to have a go at them for her. She sounds like a right bore and I say that as someone seriously considering veganism.

Also bananas ARE evil.

arranbubonicplague · 07/01/2019 09:58

arran people are unbelievable. I hope your mum ignored them

It did upset her that people were so rude and unthinking, IYSWIM.

And, of course, the lectures she endured because the bowel cancer meant she needed to eat relatively small volume, calorie dense food rather than the typical high volume/high fibre diet and during her treatment needed soft food that didn't hurt her mouth or anything else. She ate cheesecake (eggs, cheese, butter). Even fish!

Some people's need to blame others for their illness trumps all rationality never mind courtesy or manners.

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