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To think I’ll be happier accepting my DH’s less positive qualities rather than fighting them?

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Fireplant2019 · 01/01/2019 15:46

Together for 9 years, married for 5.

DH can often be kind, funny, thoughtful and considerate to the small number of people he is very close to but this does not extend to wider acquaintances. This presents itself in extremes of behaviour. For example if I’m ill but experience a craving for a particular type of food all I need do is mention it and he will immediately jump in the car and drive 30 minutes to get it for me even if it’s the middle of the night and bucketing with rain. I participate in regular running events and he shuttles me around to and from various starting lines across the country several times a month, often in the early hours of the morning without a single word of complaint and has generously financially supported me for two years whilst I took time off to complete a qualification (one which I wanted to do but which was not at all necessary for furthering my career.) Conversely his empathy has a short reach outside of his immediate family and he will often make extremely nasty comments about other peoples’ lives or life choices in a very flippant way and this tends to upset me, as I feel he can be mean spirited. I have tried pulling him up on this, talking to him, trying to explain why it’s important to be more open minded but he refuses to take it on board (or perhaps simply cannot change this part of his personality, it is so deeply entrenched).

The other big issue is his contribution to the housework. His mum and step-dad sent him abroad to boarding school from a young age where all cooking and cleaning was done for him and at uni his accommodation was serviced, so he never learned these life skills. Nine years later and my constant encouragement and attempts to involve him around the house have seen little improvement. I can’t remember when he last cooked dinner for me. It causes endless arguments between us and the more I read on MN about how this is apparently enough for most women to LTB or how most women “wouldn’t put up” with it the more incensed and angry I become that he is perfectly happy to reap the benefits of living in a clean and tidy house and eat the meals I cook but refuses to use his initiative to take on any of the burden. I end up having to nag and nag to get him to do anything (which I hate). All I want is for him to pick up after himself and use his initiative to put on a load of washing or run the hoover and mop round when it needs doing, hardly onerous stuff.

I find myself feeling more and more dissatisfied about our home life because of this and at the moment we aren’t getting on very well at all. I feel like I’m getting really hung up what I perceive to be his inadequacies and I’m overlooking the good qualities about him that I fell in love with.

As a fiercely independent woman and a feminist I feel like these problems should be a real sticking point for us. I feel as though I shouldn’t be willing to settle for being left to do the wife-work and that he should either shape up or ship out. However the side of me that still really, truly loves her husband recognises that these issues aside he is a wonderful partner, kind, loyal, supportive both financially and emotionally and loving (to me, even if not to strangers!) and I’m so very sick and tired of arguing. I just want to enjoy my marriage again and stop bickering over the housework. Would it be so unreasonable of me to just accept that my DH is not the domestic God I wish he was and to accept that I will need to take ownership of that? To accept that yes he can lack empathy for strangers and nothing I say is going to change how he thinks, I can’t control his personality?

Is it unrealistic of me to think that as much as we would all like a perfect DH sometimes we have to accept we don’t have “perfect” and make do with “good” and that life might actually be a little easier and more straightforward for doing so?

OP posts:
SilverySurfer · 01/01/2019 18:45

I know that I can do a better job of the clean than his half-hearted efforts and I can do it much more quickly, so it's less of a chore.

So he's professionally incompetent at housework whilst no doubt managing to be fully capable at his career. You then enable him by doing it all yourself and its a win/win for him. He obviously thinks it's beneath him to undertake such menial tasks, while you, on the other hand, presumably included being the domestic drudge in your wedding vows?

If you didn't it's time to stop.

Mummyshark2019 · 01/01/2019 18:53

Do you have kids op?

Pachyderm1 · 01/01/2019 18:56

Would it be so unreasonable of me to just accept that my DH is not the domestic God I wish he was and to accept that I will need to take ownership of that?

How you arrange your life and what you’re willing to accept is only your business, so there’s no real way to answer whether it’s reasonable or not. This is for you to decide.

What I would say though, is that your husband has over many years shown you who he really is, and that is someone who would rather see you struggle than help with the housework. He has revealed a fundamental selfishness in his nature - that even though he knows you bear an unfair burden, that isn’t important enough to him to lead him to change.

So I think it isn’t really about the hoovering. It’s about whether you can accept this selfishness. And whether or not it’s reasonable isn’t really the point - this is something only you can decide for yourself.

Wingbing · 01/01/2019 18:57

I reckon you have just described the situation in many partnerships.

You’ve certainly described my marriage.

I gave DH an ultimatum just before Christmas. Either he takes some of the mental load and does more around the house, of we need to split up.

I asked him to read the article about the wife who left her husband as he left a coffee cup above the dishwasher. It summed up how I felt.

givemesteel · 01/01/2019 19:16

Agree with the 'cleaner is cheaper than divorce' comment. If you're both working FT with no kids, you should be able to find £20-30 a week? I know so many couples where the acrimony is over cleaning and it's not worth it.

I think overall he sounds like a good guy but you just need to have a serious chat, say the cleaner is non negotiable (which would be worth sacrificing eg the Friday night take out for). Then the rest of the tasks you need to list out and divvy up. Explain that you are starting to feel used and resentful and you won't continue like this.

Fwiw my dh never ever cooks either, it's not his strength but it is mine. I feel jealous of the women I know who have husbands that enjoy cooking and are good at it, but my husband has a lot of great qualities they don't have. I'm only saying this to say pick your battles and not every person on MN would ltb over a husband never cooking.

It's best he's responsible for more straightforward stuff, eg the washing / ironing / tidying kitchen / dishwasher type stuff. Does he do stuff like renew your house / car insurance, ring the plumber when stuff goes wrong etc?

Sashkin · 01/01/2019 19:29

Ask him if he will please do half of the chores to make it fair. Say you are sick of doing it all. Hopefully he will say yes of course! And then you can write a list of everything that needs to be done weekly and you can divvy it up. We did that as soon as we move in together and it worked a treat.

Whereas I did that and DH argued that most of the chores didn't even need doing (bathrooms don't need cleaning more than annually because running a bath and flushing a toilet clean are cleaning, bed sheets don't need changing, towels don't need washing, there's no point cleaning because it just gets dirty again). Then he turned it around on me by saying that I am more untidy than him so it wasn't fair for me to impose my higher standards of cleanliness on him. Then he agreed to do some stuff, but promptly "forgot".

If it was as easy as saying "darling, can you do half the housework?" none of us would be in this fucking situation...

Sashkin · 01/01/2019 19:37

And I actually found it easier to get DH to do chores where there was no argument that it needed doing. So I can get him to do laundry, cooking and washing up, because otherwise he has no clothes, food or clean plates. He does childcare-related tasks (nappies, feeding, playing) because those obviously has to be done. If I strip the bed and put the sheets in the wash basket his will wash them, but he doesn't think to change the sheets otherwise. He doesn't care if the bath has a ring round it, whereas I think that's gross. I'm not sure he has ever hoovered in his life.

He also won't get a cleaner because he doesn't want a stranger in his house touching his stuff Angry

Wearywithteens · 01/01/2019 19:59

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TroubledMuchly · 01/01/2019 20:07

@DanielleEvans

He has what he calls blue jobs and pink jobs!

PLEASE tell me you're fucking joking.

Birdsgottafly · 01/01/2019 20:08

He's nice to those that he gets something from. If he doesn't benefit, he doesn't bother.

He's a good Partner, in showy ways, because he wants a relationship with you. He doesn't care if his lack of housework upsets you, though. That isn't on his radar. Likewise his family are a reflection of him, so he keeps them sweet.

That's a disgusting personality type.

I couldn't be with someone so narrow minded and unempathetic. He's probably a bit thick as well. In a well educated, but hard of thinking way.

He'll probably agree to a cleaner, it benefits him to. Whilst you put up with the rest, he's got no need to change. It doesn't benefit him to, why does he care if you're upset, life goes on for him all the same.

trixiebelden77 · 01/01/2019 20:10

I don’t think the housework’s the issue. The lack of kindness and empathy would bother me much more. If someone is not kind to people in general there will come a day they are no longer kind to you.

Cafeaulait27 · 01/01/2019 20:10

@sashkin

I would not marry someone like that so not sure what I would do about that.

It’s totally weird for anyone to think that level of cleanliness is normal.

We divvied everything up as soon as we moved in and didn’t let resentment fester. It comes down to respect - if he knows it upsets you to only wash the sheets once a year he should be willing to do it more often.

Cafeaulait27 · 01/01/2019 20:14

@ OP - does he earn considerably more than you?

One of my friends has a husband that earns much more than her. He does little housework despite her working full time as well. I suspect it’s because he pays more towards the mortgage and ‘brings in the money’ so to speak he thinks he shouldn’t have to contribute any further than financially.

KatsutheClockworkOctopus · 01/01/2019 20:16

The thing that would worry me is his ability to split people into those "worthy" of empathy/care and those who are not. If I were with someone like that I would always be fearful of ending up in the "not" category for some reason.

Barbie222 · 01/01/2019 20:22

Watching with interest. I'm not sure my partner's quite as bad, but he's not very generous of spirit towards people out of the circle of trust.

SittingAround1 · 01/01/2019 20:53

He probably does his occasional acts of kindness to keep you sweet whilst you do the cooking, cleaning and washing EVERY day.
Personally i'd go on strike. No more clothes washing for him, only cook for yourself. No more cleaning (although you have to be prepared to live in a sty for a while).
See how he reacts.

Sashkin · 03/01/2019 04:30

It’s totally weird for anyone to think that level of cleanliness is normal

To be fair he has never experienced that level of cleanliness, because I crack and clean the bathroom Hmm. This was a theoretical “so if they don’t need cleaning weekly how often DO they need cleaning?” discussion. I’m sure if he actually experienced a bathroom that hadn’t been cleaned for a year, he wouldn’t like it.

This discussion was a while ago too. I spent a lot of my 20s working away from home (so free from grotty bathrooms) and he did clean when he lived alone. Not as much as I would have done, but he did do it. And he will clean now if I make him. It’s just annoying that I have to have a debate about it every time.

Repertory · 03/01/2019 04:47

The number of women on this thread attempting to defend men who lack basic human empathy and see housework as a “pink job’ is depressing. You can’t be a ‘lovely partner’ when your words and actions show over and over again that you regard your wife as an unpaid domestic servant, and insisting otherwise is as deluded as a victim of domestic violence putting concealer on her black eye and ‘I annoyed him.’

OkPedro · 03/01/2019 04:50

"He will clean now If I make him "
Fuck sake.. Is he an adult?

MrsAndrewEldritch · 03/01/2019 05:04

I would find the behaviour of these men-babies incredibly unappealing and unattractive. Zero respect for them.

I wouldnt have stayed in it as the road from disrespect to contempt is a short one and its easier to end it before you reach the place of despising them.

MitziK · 03/01/2019 05:04

#1 Most people are dicks and arseholes (I know I am). He's just more honest about it.

#2 If you work, you shouldn't have to cook every night. But be warned, he might not be particularly good at it.

#3 Just hire a cleaner. He pays for it, though. He knows you're pissed about the lack of help, so it won't be a surprise to him that you want a solution.

#4 Working with his inability to see/think will involve 'Can you bring down the linen bin, please?', 'Could you strip the bed please whilst I do [whatever]?' He brings it down 'Great, thank you. Would you mind shoving it in the machine and I'll start if off?' This one is a long term thing. You start with bringing something down for you and eventually, after lots of thank yous (no grovelling fuss, though - just making sure he hears you acknowledge his effort), you get somebody you don't always want to beat to death with abandoned shoes and discarded toilet roll inners.

OH is shit at cleaning the kitchen. He is, however, quite capable of doing the washing after he was conned into learning how to operate it - I labelled each drawer in marker pen with POWDER SOFTENER DON'T USE

Butteredghost · 03/01/2019 05:05

This is a tough one OP. People all have annoying habits, and they don't change. So yes, if you want to be in a relationship with anybody, you'll have to make sacrifices. However doing 100% of the cleaning is one of the few things I personally wouldn't accept. The others being outright abuse or him being a murderer. In fact, when my husband is doing one of his many annoying habits, I keep quiet and repeat in my head "but at least he does housework, at least he does housework" and my rage soon dissipates.

Second getting a cleaner. Surely if you both try you can put enough together for 2 hours a fortnight.

birdsdestiny · 03/01/2019 05:16

Getting a cleaner will not turn her husband into a functioning person. Cleaners don't cook meals, load the dishwasher, do the laundry etc etc. Sorry but this is not being a nice person. It's treating people with contempt.

Sashkin · 03/01/2019 05:26

Okpedro luckily he does have other good points that outweigh the cleaning in my eyes, at the moment. But the cleaning is responsible for over 50% of our arguments, and it was noticeable to me that our marriage was at its most harmonious when I was on mat leave and doing all the housework. In stark contrast, when he is between jobs (self-employed) he never lifts a finger “because he’s on holiday”.

So it is a serious issue in our relationship, yes, and not one I am making light of. OP should be aware that if this is an issue in her relationship now, it will still be an issue in twenty years’ time. He won’t change.

Yolo89 · 03/01/2019 15:57

Gosh be thankful you don't have children and this problem. I have two DD and two minutes after I have cleaned it is a bomb site again- nothing is more frustrating than this and a DH that doesn't contribute enough. I blew up at him the other day and said he needs to do more. He said I expect it to look like after the cleaners come. Not true - just clutter free. He doesn't get it. Does a few dishes and thinks job done. It is really getting me down but with two children there is just not enough energy and time for me to do it all. So I am putting up a fight!

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