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AIBU to set boundaries with this friend at this time??

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AngelinaDelight · 26/12/2018 20:23

I've been friends with this woman, I'll call her Y, for over ten years. We used to work together. She now works abroad in an intense humanitarian role whereas I have a young family and based here. Y has always been out of contact during her work periods and we would usually meet up at mine when she is home, as her home base (parents etc.) is only a few hours' drive away and she can stay over here. Sometimes we visited her at her home base instead. In summer she was home and mentioned she was organizing a get together at her home base in autumn and I was invited; it would be with folk we both worked with years ago - 2 of them also still close friends of mine and the others not folk I have kept up with, but Y has. I then texted Y in the run up to autumn and she gave me dates for the meet up (a month away) and told me the posh restaurant scheduled for the meet up. As I am on a tight budget with young family I sold a concert ticket to save up for the posh restaurant and sent a text to the friend asking if the meal would be appropriate for my children to come to as well or not, should I arrange childcare? Never heard back. Tried to text and call a few times and only got hold of Y the day before the scheduled reunion. She didn't sound happy to hear from me and said the restaurant plan had changed as one of the party was travel sick and didn't like the driving in the hills, so they would all do what she preferred. She said nothing to do with whether or not I brought my children, they would be welcome, but the restaurant was not going ahead - we could meet them all the following day if I rang in then to see what they were doing. So my children and I made the 3 hour drive to her area the following day, I rang and we met everyone for a walk along the coast. By then they had booked a restaurant for the evening but my friend didn't explicitly invite me, said it was fully booked out now, and rather than have a difficult conversation in front of all the others I simply suggested we would head off after the walk and friend agreed. Her parting words to me though after what seemed an extremely lukewarm reception and made me feel i maybe hadn't been actually invited (though I was, initially) were that she couldn't wait to catch up properly with me at Xmas. Fast forward to November, I texted friend abroad and said could we please arrange Xmas meet up in advance as I wouldn't have much time off and sure she would be busy too. She promised to get back to me once she had spoken to family and said she would "fit in with my plans". No further text though until she got in touch Xmas eve and said she was home and would love to meet up. The 3 dates I then suggested she said she was unavailable, due to travel to see others, other friends etc. I could have managed another date - she was offering to drive down to us to save us any travel - but by this point was just frustrated at the lack of advance planning as I do have other things on and the final available date wasn't ideal. So I sent a polite but blunt message explaining I had not been happy that in autumn initially I had been invited to the restaurant meet-up and actually moved my budget around to go to that, then that hadn't happened, we hadn't joined friends in the restaurant...and now I'd got in touch mid-Nov to try to make a Xmas plan but here we were Xmas Eve trying to arrange it and it didn't look possible. I said I would need more advance notice in future. Friend replied, strangely as when we left in the autumn when she said she couldn't wait to see me at Xmas, by saying she had bought presents for me and my children and would drive down and drop them to my house next week (it's a 3 hour drive) even though we couldn't meet up. This seemed like an excessive gesture to be honest given the length of the drive and/or a weird threat that she would "visit anyway" on her own terms... I politely asked she leave presents in at the village store as they take our mail if we're away and she replied "OK - and sorry if I caused any stress". I can't really make head or tail of the mixed messages...I've always felt my friend's head must be in another space when she is abroad doing intense humanitarian work and therefore try not to put ANY pressure on her abroad, even to arrange stuff, but it's also clear she HAS been making detailed arrangements with others from abroad whereas I feel the plans with me are an afterthought. A mutual friend says she is a "hopeless communicator"/"never checks her phone". When we meet up we chat well and have a lot in common (politics, wine, shared stories etc.) but I feel this Xmas is the final straw. That said I feel anxious I may now lose the friendship and also I've a niggling worry her total haphazard-niss is because she has a form of depression - she has had before and lost her sister very suddenly around a year ago. Then I feel bad and feel I should just overlook her total inability to plan ahead with me, but this time I felt I had to be honest as the sad thing was, we could have met up easily had we arranged it back in mid-Nov. And I really felt nothing less than excluded at the autumn bash when everyone else was accommodated at the changed venue restaurant, except me.Trying not to agonize but a friend of over a decade is precious - right? How can I make this work? Or is it a no-hoper?

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Iamdanish · 26/12/2018 20:44

So sorry. After the autumn trip, I would have given up (and been very insulted) but thats me.
She doesn't seem to commit that much to your "friendship", perhaps because you have family and other commitments, and she feels she is somewhere else in life. But none the less not a good friend.
Her being depressed etc. Is not your responsability when she never contacts you.

AngelinaDelight · 26/12/2018 20:48

Thanks Iamdanish. Yes tbh I think it is the final straw. The autumn incident did come across as very disrespectful of me and now this. I am worried that she is behaving so "hit" and "miss" because she is very depressed but I think I have to trust she would be aware of it is she was and would actually tell me if she needed me to understand anything like that, after so many years of friendship.

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pasturesgreen · 26/12/2018 20:52

You've drifted apart. She lives and works abroad and you're only in touch sporadically: that's no friendship. I'd cut my losses and call it quits. The autumn incident was particularly bad, I wouldn't accept any presents if it were me, depression or no depression.

olympicsrock · 26/12/2018 20:54

The thing in the autumn was a bit odd but I would have assumed that your children were not welcome - as it’s a chance for adults to catch up and enjoy themselves. So 50:50 fault. She obviously is a bit disorganised , has a busy life but wanted to make it up to you. Don’t but off your nose to spite your face . Why don’t you accept her olive branch and let her drive 3 hours to see you with presents.

olympicsrock · 26/12/2018 20:55

Cut off your nose...

DillyDilly · 26/12/2018 20:58

The autumn thing reads to me as I’d neither her or the rest of the group wanted children going to the meal and your friend didn’t want to upset you by telling you.

AngelinaDelight · 26/12/2018 21:00

Olympicsrock - I have agreed to her delivering the presents - but she hasn't said when this will be and we are out a lot over Xmas including two nights away. We couldn't find a mutually convenient time to meet as per my initial message unfortunately (had we set a date back in Nov we could have as I would have fitted around her trip but now other social things are booked in, as it's next week). So she will be coming to drop the presents, driving 3 hours to do so, even though we probably won't be in. That sounds like the actions of a true friend doesn't it but it's really impossible to sustain true friendship without making any plans in advance (which she seems incapable of with me, to the point of excluding me totally in autumn from a meal - she was clear it wasn't to do with the kids and the booking was early, 5.30 pm I think the others said). It's a struggle.

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AngelinaDelight · 26/12/2018 21:02

DillyDally I just don't think so as I asked her a good 3 weeks in advance if I should arrange childcare and made it clear I could. Another child albeit older attended the meal too. She never replied to my message or got in touch at all, as I said...

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Iamdanish · 26/12/2018 21:02

I think the sudden interest in dropping off presents, is a bit " now I have nothing better to do, so I visit on my terms". Either cut your losses or accept it is a very distant relationship. But then you need to set your own boundaries. Good luck hopefully with better friends 😄.

AngelinaDelight · 26/12/2018 21:03

Thanks Iamdanish. I've been agonizing over it as you can tell as we shared a lot of happy times over10+ years but that is also my instinct. Otherwise she could post the presents.

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garethsouthgatesmrs · 26/12/2018 21:14

I hate when people are like this. I am a planner. If people can't plan to meet up with me and say things like, " I will let you know" rather than committing to firm arrangements I always assume they are waiting to see if they get a better offer and I am low on their priority list.

AngelinaDelight · 26/12/2018 21:16

sadly I agree garethsouthgatemrs. I feel like a low priority.

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WrapAndRoll · 26/12/2018 21:35

Ask her what's wrong that is making her so erratic.

SynchroSwimmer · 26/12/2018 22:05

....just a thought here, if she lost her sister about a year ago, the build up to the anniversary date, and the date itself will be a difficult time for her to deal with.....

Rocknroller85 · 26/12/2018 22:35

I don’t think it’s you it sounds like she’s not good at firm plans and that’s the root of the problem. I don’t think bringing presents sounds like a threat at all. I think it’s her trying to do a nice thing to make up for it. When your sibling dies other thing take a back seat and she probably has other things on her mind. She may not be depressed as such but will still absolutely be grieving.

Aeroflotgirl · 26/12/2018 22:38

You don't sound like a priority for her, it seems to be on her terms. I would just pull back, she sounds quite Luke warm.

theOtherPamAyres · 26/12/2018 23:29

What would have been your reaction if, in the Autumn, your friend hadn't been silent but had replied: "No, please don't bring your children. I'm disappointed that you think it's appropriate to have children at a reunion for adults at a restaurant. Why are you asking me whether you should arrange childcare - of course you should."

She didn't have the gumption or energy to tell you straight, and ignored your texts and calls. When you turned up, she was cool, but it was clear that you that you and your children would not be eating at the restaurant with the adults attending the reunion. You still hung around, despite this clear message that you weren't welcome.

It sounds like your friend is avoiding telling you that she is not interested anymore - hence the mixed messages. She doesn't want to appear the baddie but good grief - take the hint for goodness sake - and don't bombard her with anymore texts and calls. It's over.

KeepServingTheFestiveSnogs · 26/12/2018 23:47

going against most (not all) PPs on this thread... When she was 29, one of my best friends suddenly lost her sister (to a stroke). Her sister was 31. My friend was BROKEN, fucked, crazy for a good 3 or 4 years after that until she was able to rationalise it and deal with the loss.

your friend seems to have not behaved very kindly, OP. But if she was any kind of a friend, I'd be finding out if anything's going on for her before I just sack her off.

NicEv · 27/12/2018 00:05

Ring her up and talk to her. Explain you were hurt by what happened in the Autumn, ask her about it. Talk to her about Christmas - you said you can be free , so make a plan. Because:

  1. A shared history with someone you like - that isn’t something to throw away lightly.
  1. She lost her sister a year ago. She probably isn’t herself.

Oh - and you won’t ever sort anything out by communicating on texts! Speak to her, drop the texting.

Womantheonlykind · 27/12/2018 00:11

She lost her sister a year ago. She probably isn’t herself.

Have a heart OP.

Highginx · 27/12/2018 00:12

I have a friend like this. She can’t bear the idea of confrontation so she can be ditzy over plans but you were definitely pushed out in the autumn - possibly because she didn’t know how to say no to the kids coming.

AngelinaDelight · 27/12/2018 08:22

I am sure grief is affecting her and I have directly asked her about how she is feeling or coping with the bereavement. she says ok. she has seen a medium and says she finds that very reassuring. other than that she hasn't been inclined to talk about it even though she knows I am able particularly as I have had 2 major bereavement myself in the past 5 years.

I have suggested a phone call but she says she prefers text as reception is poor and she is often out with family.

it is Y who has suggested to meet up on every occasion. as mentioned due to her work I never know when she will be home so I have to wait to hear from her. so I am not guilty of bombarding with contact, just of trying then to make firm arrangements. which hasn't happened.

I really don't think it was to do with my kids in autumn. she knows it's difficult for me to get childcare as a single mum with no family and would have checked if I could if she wanted me to. another child of someone else did go and the meal was early eve before they all went off for a drinking session.

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AngelinaDelight · 27/12/2018 08:26

Nicev no I'm not free at Xmas. all the dates I could do, she can't, except one which is not ideal as it's a one hour I have free, hardly time to catch up and not worth her driving 6 hour round trip. had we arranged weeks ago this wouldnt have happened, thats why i tried.

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NicEv · 27/12/2018 14:15

Everyone handles grief differently - she may not want to talk , that doesn’t mean she isn’t deeply and profoundly affected by the loss she has suffered. Christmas is a tough time for the recently bereaved , she could probably do without falling out with friends as well.

**Re my comment on the date :

* I could have managed another date - she was offering to drive down to us to save us any travel - but by this point was just frustrated at the lack of advance planning as I do have other things on and the final available date wasn't ideal. *

Ultimately you need to decide if you want this friendship to survive and that is a decision only you can make . It won’t if you communicate by “blunt” text and allow your friend to do a 6 hour round trip to drop off presents without being available to make her a cup of tea! She clearly values your friendship- there aren’t many people I would drive six hours for to drop off presents.

AngelinaDelight · 27/12/2018 14:30

I haven't doubted for one moment that she is deeply affected by her loss. it may be in fact she had chosen to deal with it by drunken partying the whole time she is home and I just don't fit into that plan as I am normally more of a cup of tea and a chat kind of friend!

what is odd nonetheless is how I was excluded from careful planning of a meal and reunion weekend with other friends and despite being invited didn't feel welcome or wanted there...

I offered to make a Xmas meet up plan in mid Nov and she said she'd get back to arrange something but didn't until Xmas eve. I then offered three full days I could meet up anytime any place but she said she wasn't free then. it's against that background that she has chosen to drive 6 hours to drop off presents even though she doesn't know when and so we may well be out as we have a busy holiday week.

I really feel I have done all I can. I won't dump her or do anything to make her feel bad but I will notch this friendship down from close friend to some lesser status as it's pretty hard to stay strong friends with someone who lives and works abroad, can't arrange to meet up more than a day or 2 in advance when home, doesn't text much or like phone calls. it worked when we at least met up for a good long chat 2 or 3 times a year and a bottle or 2 of wine...but even that's proven impossible this year. I am there for her if she needs me but realize that isn't much use if we can't keep the friendship going. what would you do?

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