to any (primary school) teachers, about student performance

[poppiesallykatie]

I did post on legal, because I think this is boring for aibu :).
If I have filled in an admissions form for a primary school student (i.e a form after acceptance into the school with all their personal details); does any teacher that the child has after that; have open access to the information provided on that form? Or is it information that has to be requested from the school office? I understand of course dietary/medical/psychological issues would be given to each teacher. Or is the complete admissions form provided for each child at the start of the school year? I am referring to personal information about me?

The admissions forms for our children are included in their folders, which are kept securely. Class teachers do have access.

Ok, thanks very much rhino, just wanted a quick answer.

I can’t say I’ve ever gone looking for someone’s admission form though, the transition information passed on each year by the previous teacher gives me all that I usually need.

Generally I will only look in folders to help gather together chronology and evidence if we are seeking other agencies help i.e. for dyslexia/adhd etc diagnoses. We have a high number of looked after children and children with multiple and complex needs, so they can end up with a LOT of paperwork!I will also read over all information given when a new child starts, but otherwise it all lives quite happily in the folder in the locked cupboard.

All data gets put on sims: names, addresses, contact details, SEN status etc. All teachers can access this via a login on SIMS.

Is there something specific you don't want them to find out?

Thank you @thelittlestrhino, that has answered my question as it stands and @wombat backing that up. There is absolutely nothing to hide, he's not my only child although none of them have been with this teacher, he has had a great first primary year, loved creche, very enthusiastic and this second one hasn't been good at all. She does not seem to like him, but at parent-teacher meetings, she hasn't conveyed that he is a problem, yet everyday there is an issue where he is excluded or punished. And just today she has conveyed some information to the class about what I do for a living and he didn't know what she was talking about until she pointed him out; which made me think, she is way too focused on him. If you have 30 kids in a class that changes every year, would you remember what any parent does for a living unless you accessed the file, but why would you even bother?She just seems to be too focused on him in a negative sense.

PS. My career has absolutely no negative connotations, but she had looked me up to point it out

Sorry are you something like a nurse, or a police person, or a similar type of job which someone else may have told her about?

If not - and she purposefully told the class a piece of classified information then it is not right - and you would need to mention this to her, and possibly put it in writing.

I'm wanting to say it may be a DP breach. Although - I don't remember being asked what I and my partner did for a living on school application forms. - if it is then that is quite serious.

I’m not clear from your posts if your son knows what you do for a living. I would think it’s more likely that the teacher knows from your child or from other parents what you do for a living. However if it is unusual then it might have stood out on paperwork. Staff probably wouldn’t consider a parent’s occupation particularly confidential so could be mentioned between them in passing too.
I’m confused by the link between your concerns about how your child’s teacher is viewing/treating your son and whether she had read a file and knows what you do for a living.
Is there a link there? I don’t quite get it.

Like Worriedum I'm a bit confused.

Unless you are a spy (in which case I doubt you'd put it on the form) most people don't consider their job role a secret. I doubt if she's 'gone looking it up' at all - either your dc, or someone else will have said poppiesallykatie is a {insert job} you know, as part of a conversation either about something they were doing in school (a vet might be able to offer a talk or some brochures when setting up a 'vets' instead of a home corner, etc. etc or a carpet fitter might be able to offer some offcuts for a project) or you do the same as the teacher's dh / partner / dc / or a job they used to do or have always been interested in, so it stuck in her mind.
I don't know what else is going on, but that makes you sound a bit paranoid.

@user1474894224
No, unfortunately, I am. not important at all and it is nothing unusual, it doesn't really matter what the job is, it is the fact that she felt it was ok to again focus on him. I don't know, I had BAD teachers as a kid 30 years ago, who would attempt to hit you or did or get fellow students to deliver a blow; I thought that was gone, but now the same exists but they are more aware how far they can push it. I did have a couple of teachers, one really nice and one really the opposite but a fair person; kids can read the genuine

I'm another one echoing what's been written above.

You fill in your child's information when you get admitted to a school. It goes on the school's database (usually Simms or integris or something). The information is there, but staff only tend to access it for something specific.

So, the information that's logged is contact details (name, address, phone number/email), gp/any health information/allergies. Any SEN. Siblings. Attendance. Languages spoken, religion. Whether the child is pupil-premium (free school meals in old money) Possibly attainment (this isn't relevant to my job, so I've never looked up a child on there, so don't know whether this is logged or not, but have seen a thing you can click to go and look, but I don't know whether teachers use this or not)
What parents do for a living is not included in this in any system I know.

I PROMISE that NO teacher thinks "ooo, I wonder about Rebecca in Yr 2 and goes to look them up).

Teachers tend to use the information only when they need to look up something specific. EG (most commonly), "we have a trip tomorrow, parent hasn't given consent, so I need to phone them to get consent so their kid can come along"

If your "personal thing" is something like "abusive ex" then it wouldn't be on the system, but would be filed separately in safeguarding and be on a 'need to know' (eg - Dad issued with Non Mol and court-ordered not allowed to collect. That information would be given to class teacher, anyone who releases [eg - PE teacher or TA] and reception staff)

Generally, school staff don't give a toss what parents do for a living. Unless it impacts on the child (eg - parent a surgeon, might be late to pick up due to not being able to leave an operation)

Schools care a LOT about being able to contact a parent or named person, so PLEASE, if you're someone who changes your phone number as often as I change my pants, make the school office aware of your contact details. Because if your child is ill or injured, we need to contact you to let you know and to take your child to hospital. It isn't very nice for your kid if we have to 999 it.

Okay. Well in that case the information thing is a red herring. Your concern is that your child’s teacher has taken a dislike to your son and you feel she isn’t bringing out or seeing the best in him.

Make an appointment to see the teacher and say you are concerned that he isn’t happy at school and how is she helping him to feel positive. Most schools have positive behaviour management policies that stress the importance of children being encouraged.

Unless there is a serious need to look at the file such as tracking what SEN involvement there has been with outside agencies in the past or for health important then it's unlikely many teachers will have time to read it. Usually we rely on the parents to talk to us or speak to the previous school and look at their work.

@KeepServing
Thank you, that is very clear. My original question which @rhino answered also is answered completely.

@ Worriedmummybekind - you are very correct, it is a mix and match. We decided on the parent teacher meeting that DP would see her. He would be a cooler more managed person than I am, but I did say tell her, that 'R, the child' feels you don't like him' if he needed to flip the conversation. He said she was extremely antagonistic and unpleasant, she didn't even shake hands.

A few points:

1. He went into a queue for the toilet, it took 10 minutes, when he came back, a junior pupil had knocked his lunchbox over and she didn’t allow him to eat anything because he took too long in the toilet. She made him crawl under 2 tables to pickup everything, and ‘he could just eat it off the floor’.
2. She told him only stupid kids sit beside me and ‘that’s you R and x’. Get up here now’
3. R …. ‘Parent teacher meeting” - he is a bit giddy - his marks are perfect scores - but don’t let that fool you - ‘he is way behind in reading comprehension’ (not my first swing on the roundabout - and he is actually ahead of previous siblings who were ahead themselves anyway)
4. My name came up on the round wheel for the teddy minding and she said, it was a mistake, had to spin again and someone else got it.He got the teddy there yesterday, last day of class, 2 months later.
5. She comes into the room after morning break or after lunch, hears chatter and shouts out my name to stop, I was just looking out the window
6. I hate her he says, I say stuff in my own mind, is that ok
7. I’ve logged it all
8. Suddenly she has flipped, she gave him and one other student a kiss; and I asked him why he thought she did that and he said verbatim ‘because she feels bad for being so bad to me all the time’.

'sorry I should have quotation marks around the ownerships in the previous message;

I get each child's full admission form. (International School)

Move him. You won’t change a teacher. You can only remove him from an environment that is clearly making him very unhappy.

Actually I don't think I have access to parent job titles on the system but I'm not sure - I've never looked!
I know what lots of parents jobs are though either through things the kids have said, other teachers when it has come up in conversation (relevant obviously e.g. Xs mum can't come to parents evening because they're working away etc) or from teaching older siblings.

This aside the teacher sounds awful and I'd move. I can't believe you haven't complained already!